The Secrets of Quantum Physics

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Re: The Secrets of Quantum Physics

#421  Postby SpeedOfSound » Dec 18, 2014 3:42 pm

ElDiablo wrote:I keep observing this thread to see jamest's reply about unequivocally demonstrating his OP but it hasn't materialized.
Am I doing something wrong?
Shouldn't staring at an area of my computer screen and thinking about a possible reply make it come into existence? I would figure that if we can make a whole universe come into existence by opening our eyes, then something as simple as pixels on a screen would be a breeze to conjure up? Please don't say I need to understand computer engineering for this to happen.

You need to squint up your eyes to form two slits. Just so. All will be revealed!
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Re: The Secrets of Quantum Physics

#422  Postby Evolving » Dec 18, 2014 3:46 pm

And you have to keep doing it until you collapse.
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Re: The Secrets of Quantum Physics

#423  Postby ElDiablo » Dec 18, 2014 3:59 pm

SpeedOfSound wrote:
You need to squint up your eyes to form two slits. Just so. All will be revealed!


Evolving wrote:And you have to keep doing it until you collapse.


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Re: The Secrets of Quantum Physics

#424  Postby Templeton » Dec 19, 2014 12:59 am

It's there, except you're unable to see it as you can only see what you expect to see :coffee:
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#425  Postby jamest » Dec 19, 2014 1:42 am

Just a quickie...

If everything is a wave of indefiniteness until measured/observed, then how do we account for the definitiveness of the observer or measuring receptacle itself? QM cannot cater to the assumed definitiveness of anything prior to a theory in which everything has an indefinite nature. Yet, as it stands, the observer or measuring device HAS to have a definite nature in order to observe/measure the definiteness of quanta from its indefinite nature.

Do you get my drift, or do we need more popcorn?
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Re: The Secrets of Quantum Physics

#426  Postby kennyc » Dec 19, 2014 1:48 am

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Re: The Secrets of Quantum Physics

#427  Postby jamest » Dec 19, 2014 1:52 am

kennyc wrote:Oh look. We've been blessed with a visit!

I should be charging you bastards, so stop complaining. :evilgrin:
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#428  Postby Onyx8 » Dec 19, 2014 3:27 am

jamest wrote:Just a quickie...

If everything is a wave of indefiniteness until measured/observed, then how do we account for the definitiveness of the observer or measuring receptacle itself? QM cannot cater to the assumed definitiveness of anything prior to a theory in which everything has an indefinite nature. Yet, as it stands, the observer or measuring device HAS to have a definite nature in order to observe/measure the definiteness of quanta from its indefinite nature.

Do you get my drift, or do we need more popcorn?



What 'definitiveness'? You keep trying to sneak in this
the observer or measuring device HAS to have a definite nature
without backing it up. You've been doing this for all your threads.

"It has to be because it has to be." Show your working.
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Re: The Secrets of Quantum Physics

#429  Postby ElDiablo » Dec 19, 2014 3:42 am

Jamest,
I started a thread to get an idea about what your philosophy is from the start, instead of the bits and pieces you think fits QM. Please explain it, I'm anxious to see what you have worked out about it, rather than the parts you're struggling with. I also have questions that may be answered if you explain it.

http://www.rationalskepticism.org/philosophy/jamest-explain-your-philosophy-metaphysics-t47879.html
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#430  Postby DavidMcC » Dec 19, 2014 1:08 pm

jamest wrote:Just a quickie...

If everything is a wave of indefiniteness until measured/observed, then how do we account for the definitiveness of the observer or measuring receptacle itself? QM cannot cater to the assumed definitiveness of anything prior to a theory in which everything has an indefinite nature. Yet, as it stands, the observer or measuring device HAS to have a definite nature in order to observe/measure the definiteness of quanta from its indefinite nature.

Do you get my drift, or do we need more popcorn?

James, there is nothing stopping an observer from having a "definite nature", because quantum effects only show at very small sizes and low masses. Thus, people are not subject to quantum effects. For example, you probably cannot quantum tunnel your way through a brick wall, because you and the wall are too definite.

EDIT: BTW, particles are not observers.
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#431  Postby Arnold Layne » Dec 19, 2014 2:40 pm

jamest wrote:Just a quickie...

If everything is a wave of indefiniteness until measured/observed, then how do we account for the definitiveness of the observer or measuring receptacle itself? QM cannot cater to the assumed definitiveness of anything prior to a theory in which everything has an indefinite nature. Yet, as it stands, the observer or measuring device HAS to have a definite nature in order to observe/measure the definiteness of quanta from its indefinite nature.

Do you get my drift, or do we need more popcorn?

There's no such word as definitiveness. Do you mean divinity? :yuk:
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#432  Postby kennyc » Dec 19, 2014 5:25 pm

Arnold Layne wrote:
jamest wrote:Just a quickie...

If everything is a wave of indefiniteness until measured/observed, then how do we account for the definitiveness of the observer or measuring receptacle itself? QM cannot cater to the assumed definitiveness of anything prior to a theory in which everything has an indefinite nature. Yet, as it stands, the observer or measuring device HAS to have a definite nature in order to observe/measure the definiteness of quanta from its indefinite nature.

Do you get my drift, or do we need more popcorn?

There's no such word as definitiveness. Do you mean divinity? :yuk:


:lol: :lol: :lol:

I like divinity!

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Re: The Secrets of Quantum Physics

#433  Postby Panderos » Dec 19, 2014 5:43 pm

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Panderos wrote:
Thommo wrote:Particles and quanta cannot exceed the speed of light in free space "c".

I seem to remember Feynman saying this ins't really true in QED...?

Two points:
1. What goes for quanta does not necessarily apply to macroscopic objects.

Sure, I was responding to a point specifically about particles and quanta.
DavidMcC wrote:2. There has never been any evidence even to support Feyman's claim of particles travelling at FTL.

But would that not make the sum over paths calculations wrong? Isn't it necessary to take into account FTL paths to calculate probabilties accurately?
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#434  Postby jamest » Dec 19, 2014 5:49 pm

Arnold Layne wrote:
jamest wrote:Just a quickie...

If everything is a wave of indefiniteness until measured/observed, then how do we account for the definitiveness of the observer or measuring receptacle itself? QM cannot cater to the assumed definitiveness of anything prior to a theory in which everything has an indefinite nature. Yet, as it stands, the observer or measuring device HAS to have a definite nature in order to observe/measure the definiteness of quanta from its indefinite nature.

Do you get my drift, or do we need more popcorn?

There's no such word as definitiveness. Do you mean divinity? :yuk:

Definitiveness shows up in the online dictionaries, though definiteness is probably the word to use. Divinity is a word I plan to use on page 33. :shifty:
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#435  Postby SpeedOfSound » Dec 19, 2014 7:28 pm

jamest wrote:
Arnold Layne wrote:
jamest wrote:Just a quickie...

If everything is a wave of indefiniteness until measured/observed, then how do we account for the definitiveness of the observer or measuring receptacle itself? QM cannot cater to the assumed definitiveness of anything prior to a theory in which everything has an indefinite nature. Yet, as it stands, the observer or measuring device HAS to have a definite nature in order to observe/measure the definiteness of quanta from its indefinite nature.

Do you get my drift, or do we need more popcorn?

There's no such word as definitiveness. Do you mean divinity? :yuk:

Definitiveness shows up in the online dictionaries, though definiteness is probably the word to use. Divinity is a word I plan to use on page 33. :shifty:

Yes. It is all about finding a path to god. But there are an infinite number of paths, and only a tiny fraction lead to god. So to find our path to god we have to first presume god and then work backwards. This is how it is done.
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#436  Postby DavidMcC » Dec 19, 2014 8:19 pm

SpeedOfSound wrote:
jamest wrote:
Arnold Layne wrote:
jamest wrote:Just a quickie...

If everything is a wave of indefiniteness until measured/observed, then how do we account for the definitiveness of the observer or measuring receptacle itself? QM cannot cater to the assumed definitiveness of anything prior to a theory in which everything has an indefinite nature. Yet, as it stands, the observer or measuring device HAS to have a definite nature in order to observe/measure the definiteness of quanta from its indefinite nature.

Do you get my drift, or do we need more popcorn?

There's no such word as definitiveness. Do you mean divinity? :yuk:

Definitiveness shows up in the online dictionaries, though definiteness is probably the word to use. Divinity is a word I plan to use on page 33. :shifty:

Yes. It is all about finding a path to god. But there are an infinite number of paths, and only a tiny fraction lead to god. So to find our path to god we have to first presume god and then work backwards. This is how it is done.

Don't encourage him, Speed. :naughty:
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Re: The Secrets of Quantum Physics

#437  Postby Templeton » Dec 19, 2014 8:30 pm

Oh please do encourage him...whether you find jamests thoughts right or wrong, at least he thinks...and doesn't just parrot, any idiot can do that...
Without his posts many here would be bored to tears...
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Re: The Secrets of Quantum Physics

#438  Postby Arnold Layne » Dec 19, 2014 9:33 pm

Templeton wrote:Oh please do encourage him...whether you find jamests thoughts right or wrong, at least he thinks...and doesn't just parrot, any idiot can do that...
Without his posts many here would be bored to tears...
Carry on :cheers:

Actually, that's true....for me, anyway. I've always found james excellent value on the forum. :thumbup:
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#439  Postby Arnold Layne » Dec 19, 2014 9:36 pm

jamest wrote:
Arnold Layne wrote:
jamest wrote:Just a quickie...

If everything is a wave of indefiniteness until measured/observed, then how do we account for the definitiveness of the observer or measuring receptacle itself? QM cannot cater to the assumed definitiveness of anything prior to a theory in which everything has an indefinite nature. Yet, as it stands, the observer or measuring device HAS to have a definite nature in order to observe/measure the definiteness of quanta from its indefinite nature.

Do you get my drift, or do we need more popcorn?

There's no such word as definitiveness. Do you mean divinity? :yuk:

Definitiveness shows up in the online dictionaries, though definiteness is probably the word to use. Divinity is a word I plan to use on page 33. :shifty:

It shows up, but I only get directed to definite or definition. Anyway, doesn't matter. You just have to remember that, if you are talking science, you should use the words science uses. However, if it's metaphysics, you can make up anything you like! :thumbup:
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Re: The Secrets of Quantum Physics

#440  Postby ElDiablo » Dec 19, 2014 9:49 pm

Templeton wrote:Oh please do encourage him...whether you find jamests thoughts right or wrong, at least he thinks...and doesn't just parrot, any idiot can do that...
Without his posts many here would be bored to tears...
Carry on :cheers:


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