Thommo wrote:Deja vu.

num1cubfn wrote:

Thommo wrote:Deja vu.

Deja vu is found in the brain. The brain consists of the same matter as the rest of the universe and works according to the laws of physics, which are also universal. Therefore Deja vu is in all matter.

Steven Wright wrote:I'm having deja vu and amnesia at the same time.

Wezentrommel wrote:Digestion is in the stomach. The stomach consists of the same matter as the rest of the universe, and works according to the laws of physics, which are also universal. Therefore digestion is in all matter.

pl0bs wrote:

Wezentrommel wrote:Digestion is in the stomach. The stomach consists of the same matter as the rest of the universe, and works according to the laws of physics, which are also universal. Therefore digestion is in all matter.

Digestion is just a label. It exists only in the human mind. What the stomach is, is a bunch of moving atoms. Those can be found throughout the universe.

Same with running.

pl0bs wrote:

Wezentrommel wrote:Digestion is in the stomach. The stomach consists of the same matter as the rest of the universe, and works according to the laws of physics, which are also universal. Therefore digestion is in all matter.

Digestion is just a label. It exists only in the human mind. What the stomach is, is a bunch of moving atoms. Those can be found throughout the universe.

Same with running.

Matt_B wrote:The question is therefore; why do you think consciousness is necessarily more than just a label for something that's only known to happen with matter in brains?

Matt_B wrote:The question is therefore; why do you think consciousness is necessarily more than just a label for something that's only known to happen with matter in brains?

num1cubfn wrote:

pl0bs wrote:

Wezentrommel wrote:Digestion is in the stomach. The stomach consists of the same matter as the rest of the universe, and works according to the laws of physics, which are also universal. Therefore digestion is in all matter.

Digestion is just a label. It exists only in the human mind. What the stomach is, is a bunch of moving atoms. Those can be found throughout the universe.

Same with running.

No. Digestion is an actual process that occurs in reality, starting in the mouth and ending in the colon. The fact that the body is made of atoms does not change this process at all. While atoms CAN be found throughout the universe, digestion can not.

pl0bs wrote:Oh thats fine with me, but labelling is a conscious activity. So when someone says that consciousness is a label, he isnt putting forth any materialist idea.

pl0bs wrote:Where did the first consciousness come from, in absence of a label giver?

OHSU wrote:

pl0bs wrote:Oh thats fine with me, but labelling is a conscious activity. So when someone says that consciousness is a label, he isnt putting forth any materialist idea.

Wooberish.

pl0bs wrote:Where did the first consciousness come from, in absence of a label giver?

There is no reason to believe the the "first consciousness", whatever that means, wasn't the same as any other consciousness: an emergent property of the material behavior of the brain.

pl0bs wrote:

OHSU wrote:

pl0bs wrote:Oh thats fine with me, but labelling is a conscious activity. So when someone says that consciousness is a label, he isnt putting forth any materialist idea.

Wooberish.

pl0bs wrote:Where did the first consciousness come from, in absence of a label giver?

There is no reason to believe the the "first consciousness", whatever that means, wasn't the same as any other consciousness: an emergent property of the material behavior of the brain.

Woo.

pl0bs wrote:

num1cubfn wrote:

pl0bs wrote:

Wezentrommel wrote:Digestion is in the stomach. The stomach consists of the same matter as the rest of the universe, and works according to the laws of physics, which are also universal. Therefore digestion is in all matter.

Digestion is just a label. It exists only in the human mind. What the stomach is, is a bunch of moving atoms. Those can be found throughout the universe.

Same with running.

No. Digestion is an actual process that occurs in reality, starting in the mouth and ending in the colon. The fact that the body is made of atoms does not change this process at all. While atoms CAN be found throughout the universe, digestion can not.

No, digestion is a label. Go look in your stomach and see if you can find the word "digestion" there. You wont find it. Instead you will find atoms moving about. Thats what im talking about: physical reality, stripped from all the redundant higher level human descriptions.

pl0bs wrote:C is in the brain. The brain consists of the same matter as the rest of the universe and works according to the laws of physics, which are also universal.

Digestion is just a label. It exists only in the human mind. What the stomach is, is a bunch of moving atoms. Those can be found throughout the universe.

Same with running.

num1cubfn wrote:No. The WORD digestion is a human construct, but the PROCESS that the word describes occurs in REALITY. There is a difference between a word we use to describe a process and the process itself, but that does not mean that because the label is a construct of the mind, so is the process. The process goes on in animals who do not call it digestion. It occurs regardless of it's name. That which you call it by any other name would digest just the same. Your attempt to obfuscate the difference between a name and what the name describes is duly noted.

newolder wrote:C is just a label. All the rest of that 2nd quote is just a label. Human minds are not yet found outside of the Solar system. Same with spam.