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Re: Gay premier has no right to implement sex ed program

#81  Postby Acetone » Feb 28, 2015 9:51 pm

Ah-- so no big controversy after all.
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#82  Postby Mackson » Feb 28, 2015 10:02 pm

Acetone wrote:Ah-- so no big controversy after all.



I don't agree, but :cheers:
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#83  Postby Macdoc » Mar 01, 2015 2:39 am

good fucking riddance :coffee:
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#84  Postby Shrunk » Mar 02, 2015 12:54 am

There is an interesting observation to be made about Mick's recent posts. In his earlier incarnation, he was all about "objective" moral values and "natural law", and how modernism had turned the world to shit by eschewing these.

In a stunningly short time, many of those "objective" moral values he espoused are now by consensus viewed as nothing more than bigotry and are being rapidly marginalized as unacceptable. So now, all of a sudden, he's singing the praises of "liberal pluralism", as a last ditch effort to prevent those "values" from completely slipping into oblivion.

I don't think it'll work.
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#85  Postby Shrunk » Mar 04, 2015 2:06 pm

So about that big controversy Mick was predicting would erupt over this sex-ed curriculum.

I don't know how many people outside of Canada will have heard of Michael Coren, but a couple quotes from his Wikipedia page should give you an idea of where he's coming from:

He has written more than ten books, including biographies of G. K. Chesterton, H. G. Wells, Arthur Conan Doyle, and C. S. Lewis. His latest two books, Why Catholics are Right and Heresy: Ten Lies They Spread About Christianity were published in 2011 and 2012 respectively. (ed. He's since published another book, entitled Hatred: Islam’s War on Christianity)....

On the subject of AIDS Michael Coren wrote a column in 2006 titled "Why is AIDS so special?" in which he said "At its most simple, stop fornicating." "AIDS in the West is still overwhelmingly a threat to male homosexuals and intravenous drug users."

In an article which appeared in Sun Media in 2007, Coren said "As for Jesus not condemning homosexuality, nor did He condemn bestiality and necrophilia...But you were referring to the Bible. I was showing that Christ did indeed condemn homosexuality, as does the Old Testament, St. Paul, the church fathers and all Christianity until a few liberal Protestants in the last decades of the 20th century who, frankly, are more concerned with political correctness than truth. "....


OK? So if there was going to be a great uprising among Ontario Catholics against the curriculum, Coren would be expected to be one of its strongest spokesmen.

So what does Coren actually think about the curriculum?

(M)y wife and I have raised four children who also seem to be well informed about the birds and the bees. Only one of them is young enough to be exposed to the new Ontario sex education curriculum, although she would never read the thing I felt obliged to plough through, as it is mostly a clumsily didactic and dust-dry document. It’s pregnant — forgive the term — with instructions about the coddling of kids and has an obsession with physical and emotional safety, but the gender fluidity and oral and anal sex that its detractors have spoken of is hardly mentioned at all.

It’s almost 250 pages long and you have to read through forests of advice about not smoking, not doing drugs, eating vegetables and keeping fit before getting to the good bits. What is does do, however, is acknowledge that some children feel as if their physical bodies do not represent their psychological and sexual feelings and acknowledges that, whether parents approve or not, anal and oral sex take place. It’s more discussion and explanation than recommendation and indoctrination. In fact most of the curriculum is more banality than Bolshevism and while some of it is surprising to adult eyes, it’s not especially radical or misplaced....

The reaction, however, has bordered on the hysterical, often from people who have not read the document and, truth be told, are opposed to pretty much any sex education outside of the family. The allegation, for example, that disgraced educational adviser and former senior public servant Benjamin Levin was behind the curriculum is pernicious and irresponsible. The man is soon to plead guilty to various child pornography charges and the implication made by many critics is that it’s all about prematurely sexualizing and grooming of children. Not so.

Then there is fact that Ontario Premier Kathleen Wynne is gay and as much as it might be denied, I can assure you that some of the leading and loudest opponents of the curriculum have never been comfortable with her being a lesbian. They frequently complain that the new teaching exposes children to homosexuality when it merely states the self-evident: that same-sex marriage is the law of the land and many children have gay parents, family members and friends or are themselves gay. I have never understood why so many social conservatives are so insecure about other people’s sexuality; it’s hard enough to make children do their math homework, let alone work at changing their sexual orientation after school!...

A final note, if I may, as an orthodox and Catholic Christian. If conservative Christians became as angry and active about poverty, injustice, unjust war and other such issues as they do about sex and sexuality, not only would the world be a better place, but the standing of conservative Christians would be far higher....


Oh dear. Sorry, Mick. It looks like the revolution will be a long and hard one.
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#87  Postby Shrunk » Mar 04, 2015 2:33 pm

Meanwhile, initial polling results give further evidence of what a long, hard road our brave Catholic revolutionaries face:


The Forum Research survey found the updated syllabus pushed by Premier Kathleen Wynne, which takes effect for Ontario students this September, was backed by 49 per cent of respondents while 34 per cent opposed it and 17 per cent had no opinion....

Some 74 per cent think sex education should be taught in schools and at home while 15 per cent think it should be taught mostly or only at home, and 9 per cent feel it should be taught mostly or only at school. Just 1 per cent said it should not be taught at all.


But, but, but.... Liberal Pluralism!
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#88  Postby Agi Hammerthief » Mar 04, 2015 2:34 pm

interesting choice of words in the last sentance Shrunk.

edit: of post #85
* my (modified) emphasis ( or 'interpretation' )
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#89  Postby Shrunk » Mar 04, 2015 5:12 pm

Agi Hammerthief wrote:interesting choice of words in the last sentance Shrunk.

edit: of post #85


My brain is doing strange things today. Here's part of a post I also wrote (on another website) earlier today:

Mahommed,married a ll year old whats up with that ?


She was 9 by some accounts. And many Muslim "scholars" claim he would relieve himself sexually by rubbing his penis between her thighs until she was sexually mature enough (by which they mean, like, 12 years old or something) for intercourse.


That Mo' had quite the stamina.
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#90  Postby hackenslash » Mar 04, 2015 7:07 pm

Actually, IIRC, thighing commenced at marriage aged 6, and continued until consummation at 9.
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#91  Postby Shrunk » Apr 12, 2015 12:13 pm

Just an update on this story: McNaughton's attempt to rouse the bigot brigade to support him didn't work, and he has dropped out of the leadership race. Not even Rob Ford's endorsement could help him.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/m ... -1.3026187

However, one of the two remaining candidates is a non-entity from the federal Conservatives with what seems to be similarly social conservative views. That he is a viable candidate probably says more about how dire things are for the Ontario PC's than anything else.
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#92  Postby Shrunk » Apr 17, 2015 1:01 am

The anti-sex education protests, while not exactly steamrolling anyone, aren't exactly going away either. There was another protest at the provincial legislature a few days attended by a reported 2500 people. A TV reporter spoke to some of them and received some interesting responses. ("It's written by The Satan." "I'm not talking about body parts. I'm talking genitals.")

http://warrenkinsella.com/2015/04/save- ... /#comments
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#93  Postby Shrunk » Apr 30, 2015 3:05 pm

New alternative sex ed program unveiled:

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http://torontoist.com/2015/04/glad-hand-get-the-facts/
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#94  Postby felltoearth » May 01, 2015 3:55 am

Shrunk wrote:The anti-sex education protests, while not exactly steamrolling anyone, aren't exactly going away either. There was another protest at the provincial legislature a few days attended by a reported 2500 people. A TV reporter spoke to some of them and received some interesting responses. ("It's written by The Satan." "I'm not talking about body parts. I'm talking genitals.")

http://warrenkinsella.com/2015/04/save- ... /#comments


Bob Rae wrote in his biography about the moment he knew he had to change political course when he became premier. It was the height of the recession in the 90s and he sat down with his advisers to consult on what to do. One "economist" suggested that the province should just declare bankruptcy.

I wonder when the right will have just such an epiphany and stop catering to these whack jobs. Maybe they'll have a hope of being elected at that point.
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#95  Postby Shrunk » May 01, 2015 10:59 am

felltoearth wrote:I wonder when the right will have just such an epiphany and stop catering to these whack jobs. Maybe they'll have a hope of being elected at that point.


The PC's (other than peripheral whack jobs like McNaughten) have been very circumspect on this issue, only muttering vague concerns about "lack of consultation." They know which way the wind is blowing.
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#96  Postby Shrunk » May 05, 2015 2:57 pm

Monte McNaughton may be out of the leadership race, but that isn't preventing him from getting into trouble:

Many Ontario Progressive Conservatives rallied behind leadership candidate Christine Elliott in the Ontario legislature Monday after one of their own suggested she would create a "little pink tent" and was more of a Trudeau-Liberal than a real conservative.

Meanwhile, the man who made the comment, London-area MPP Monte McNaughton – himself a former leadership candidate – denied his comments had anything to do with homophobia.

McNaughton, who is now backing Elliott's rival Barrie MP Patrick Brown, sparked the controversy in an email over the weekend saying Elliott "should rename her tent the 'little red tent' or 'little pink tent.'

The remarks by McNaughton, entitled 'Christine Elliott Trudeau???,' were sent to 12,000 PC members hours before this past Sunday's first round of voting.

The email also accused Elliott of "waffling" in her opposition to the Liberal's new sex education curriculum....


He really needs to get a new dog whistle.
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#97  Postby Shrunk » Jun 04, 2015 1:08 pm

Oh, no! Don't do that!

Parents may leave Canada to keep children away from Ontario’s new sex ed curriculum

Parent representatives from Cornell Junior Public School say some of its families will keep their children out of public schools or leave Canada if Ontario’s new sex education curriculum isn’t changed.

The mid-Scarborough school was one of the hardest hit in Toronto last month by a one-week parents’ strike over sex ed, with more than 700 of 850 students absent on its first day.

Jerry Chadwick, the local trustee, met last week with a group of parents, including Cornell’s school council chairperson and past chairperson, who had supported the protest.

Chadwick later said the group told him a number of Cornell parents - he wasn’t told how many - have decided to enrol their children in private Islamic schools, and “a few of them have chosen to go back home, to leave the country.”

Children can be exempted from lessons in the new, updated curriculum provided their parents write a letter to the school and meet with the principal.

But Chadwick, who represents Ward 22 (Scarborough East), said the Cornell parents felt even opting out of the lessons would not protect their children from them.

“They feel if this is taught in the classroom, it’ll be talked about in the yard,” and there will be what the parents called “experimentation,” he said....


Children talking about sex in the schoolyard!? :shock:
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#98  Postby Scot Dutchy » Jun 04, 2015 1:22 pm

Shrunk wrote:Children talking about sex in the schoolyard!? :shock:


Of course that does not happen at the moment. What happened behind the bicycle sheds was nobody's business when I was at school. :naughty2: :naughty2:
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#99  Postby Thomas Eshuis » Jun 04, 2015 3:02 pm

Shrunk wrote:Oh, no! Don't do that!

Parents may leave Canada to keep children away from Ontario’s new sex ed curriculum

Parent representatives from Cornell Junior Public School say some of its families will keep their children out of public schools or leave Canada if Ontario’s new sex education curriculum isn’t changed.

The mid-Scarborough school was one of the hardest hit in Toronto last month by a one-week parents’ strike over sex ed, with more than 700 of 850 students absent on its first day.

Jerry Chadwick, the local trustee, met last week with a group of parents, including Cornell’s school council chairperson and past chairperson, who had supported the protest.

Chadwick later said the group told him a number of Cornell parents - he wasn’t told how many - have decided to enrol their children in private Islamic schools, and “a few of them have chosen to go back home, to leave the country.”

Children can be exempted from lessons in the new, updated curriculum provided their parents write a letter to the school and meet with the principal.

But Chadwick, who represents Ward 22 (Scarborough East), said the Cornell parents felt even opting out of the lessons would not protect their children from them.

“They feel if this is taught in the classroom, it’ll be talked about in the yard,” and there will be what the parents called “experimentation,” he said....


Children talking about sex in the schoolyard!? :shock:

You can joke about this, but to me it's sickening that these parents force their own insecurities on their children and thus force them to remain ignorant. :nono:
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#100  Postby Shrunk » Jun 04, 2015 3:22 pm

Thomas Eshuis wrote:You can joke about this, but to me it's sickening that these parents force their own insecurities on their children and thus force them to remain ignorant. :nono:


I doubt many of them are. They'd like to think they are, but the kids know better.

They are right on one point: They can't shield their kids from knowledge. Anything the other kids learn in sex ed will become part of the general culture and spread to all kids thru osmosis.
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