Yeah I shouldn't have said that..it was my fault too really. Oh man I've been through the ringer recently : (

Sounds like the people you hang around with don't help with that.

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Keep It Real wrote:I'm discharged fal...I'm sane...the pros said so....you know that already I think....but yeah jamest must be pretty fucking embarrassed right now...apart from what he said about my street lingo....that was/is golden and spot on

I don't know whether the pros said you're sane or not. I don't even know whether they use that word. Certainly, you can be suffering from mental illness without being insane. It's just plain stupid for someone who knows fuck all about you or mental health services to be trying to undermine your relationship with them because for some idiotic reason he has come to the conclusion that he knows better.

He's been waved off by these professionals as sane, normal.

Prove it.

Any of my thoughts relating to KIR are obviously a reflection of me believing what he has said. You're judging my thoughts as though he is a liar and I should know it, because you simply cannot face the butt-hurt of accepting that he's telling the truth. If he's telling the truth then your beloved "mental health professionals" are winging it, badly. Fact.

Yet we here all know better, that he has problems.

Your reasoning is based on gullibility and love of the sound of your own voice. You can't even get over yourself long enough to ensure your post manages to convey your thoughts adequately. Big surprise to everyone, I'm sure.

Your rude arrogance won't deter me from giving advice to KIR based upon what he tells me. I mean, who the fuck would bother talking to someone when they don't believe a word that they've said, as you've demonstrated relative to KIR?

You're not here for him any more. Your only agenda is defending an inadequate institution which is in dire need of improvement.

If that's not deserving of reasonable contempt for said professionals then you're living in cloud cuckoo land.

Please revise this garbled mess of a post and see if you can come up with a coherent idea in the English language next time.

I'll do that after you pluck your head from your arse, though that might be a problem given the tightness thereof.

Fallible wrote:Sounds like the people you hang around with don't help with that.

Sounds like your decision to talk to him is based entirely upon believing him except those times which imply that the NHS mental health department is somehow flawed. What a fuckin' joke of an approach that is.

JamesT, KiR is believable when he makes believable claims.

The police are coming round in an hour or so...don't think I want to press charges though because I'd get a reputation as a grass and there might be further violent reprisals. Anybody got a strong opinion about it? I'm still not 100% sure.

scott1328 wrote:JamesT, KiR is believable when he makes believable claims.

You can stick your believable claims up your jacksie if you're formulating the concept of a believable claim [here] based upon the Tripadvisor rating of the British NHS' mental health department. With all due respect.

There are numerous problems here, relative to this specific discussion, not least that I object to the very notion of a 'mental health professional' just a century-or-so after psychology even acquired scientific status. Which is a joke in itself given that it's based entirely upon the observation and study of the folk psychology of its clients.

I won't be fucking preached to on this matter, since the 'mental health professionals' of the early 21st century are akin to the astronomical professionals of medieval times. And that fact is concrete even if KIR is telling porkies.

What really bugs me though, is that madam is calling me a cunt when I'm giving him advice relative to actually believing whatever he says. Whereas she will only give advice to him upon issues which do not question the authority of medieval astronomy, if you get my gist. In other words, she won't participate here except under the undisclosed-premise that 'mental health professionals' should not be undermined by anyone other than mental health professionals. And if KIR himself says something which implies that they don't have a clue, then suddenly she's of the opinion that he's a liar. However, she'll still continue to believe him and talk about anything, just so long as he doesn't imply that her beloved institution is flawed. That's just fucking pathetic. It's akin to your local mayor/politician/police-head etc. becoming willingly involved in whichever conversation you choose just so long as you dont imply that their own particular institution is imperfect. If you question the perfection thereof, you'll be deemed a wanker who knows nothing because you don't know what they know, evidently.

I'm fucking disgusted with her attitude here, to be honest. One reaches a point where you want to shaft someone up the arse with a frozen badger. I've reached that point. I'm tired of her ignorance and arrogance, based upon her 'expertise' and faith in institutions which quite frankly do not cut the mustard.

So, if you're expecting any semblance of a climb-down from me, then I'm afraid that you're wasting your time. And no amount of thumbs-ups from similar-minded people to this popular woman (I even like her myself! - because I've got broad shoulders) is going to make a difference. No amount. Neither is any amount of rudeness and arrogance (how the fuck can someone declare they're an authority upon mental problems!), cuz I've seem it all before, even in the philosophy forum, where none of you are fucking experts. I'm an island in a stormy ocean, surrounded by sharks. It's been like that for nearly two decades. I'm still alive. I don't care whether people like 'jamest', bottom-line, obviously. And I don't back-down to shit, even when it gets nasty. Ever.

If you don't like my attitude, then fuck it. I don't care. My primary motive for including myself in forums where I'm always going to be unpopular, was obviuosly to discuss the truth of anything. So, same theme, different time, same ol' unintelligent reaction. I'll live.

In the meantime, people who could actually benefit from my advice [by listening to it] are left wondering if I'm more insane than them because some fucking 'authority' on the matter calls me a cunt for not knowing what she knows. And yet I'm accused of being the arrogant cunt here, even though she's akin to a medieval doctor and believes that he's telling lies every time he speaks against HER profession.

If you've studied your history to the depths I have, you'll know that this bullshit response is as old as the hills.

I'm not drunk, I'm not stupid, I'm not even saying this as a theist. All of my views are well-considered. And, for what it's actually worth, I've given plenty of my time [here and in several orther threads] trying to get KIR to improve his lot. That's not because I want to prove that God exists, or because I'm supporting any particular institution. It's because I genuinely care.

He's actually given me a hard time here and there. But if you find an instance of me declaring that I'm not going to believe him or help him because he's taken the piss out of me, theism, philosophy, idealism, suchlike (which he has!), then I'll show my arse in Trafalger Square!!

I don't mind anyone who distrusts me, cuz I really respect scepticisim (how else can I explain my on views!), yet I'll strive to help them regardless. Hell, if Fallible still actually wants to speak to me after this, I'll still give her a big fucking smile.

Some people will say that I'm waffling here, but the REALLY important point is that differing opinions/attitudes/mindsets don't necessarily have to result in war/hatred. Even if those opinions disturb your personal status quo.

People chew the fat in order to question their mindset. I'm telling you all that your mindsets are ridiculous, and I don't give two shits about your outrage relative to me saying that.

I'm giving you all a chance here to creep your feet beyond the cultural/contemporary borders our particular retarded society imposes upon us, by questioning your faith in it. I have no idea whether you're capable of doing so, but I was. Et voila, someone who disturbs and annoys you.

I'll either be ignored or called a cunt again, I still don't care. This isn't about egos, even of institutions, it's about the truth. The truth here, relative to KIR, is that "mental health professionals" in the 21st century are failing almost everyone with mental health problems, lest they pump you full of drugs. Yet, people like KIR were already taking drugs previous to that to alleviate their problems. Go figure.

So, KIR, the NHS - which has fobbed you off as having no problems - can't really do anything for you even if you do have problems, other than offer alternative drugs to the ones that you're currently taking. On the plus side, these are currently free in Britain, for you, but obviously we're all paying for that service. That mght save you a few quid, but it won't sort your actual issues. Not any issues which question the authority of the NHS, at least.

KIR, most of your problems are accountable for in terms of being a parrot and/or servant to your time and circumstances. The same applies to Fallible, which is why I'm able to offer her a hug even if she calls me a cunt. Just don't ever, ever, take the authorised route to happiness, and you might actually find it.

I've given a lot of time and consideration to this post because there's a LOT of societal issues at stake here, notwithstanding YOUR happiness. Please don't just automatically disregard this post because I'm a theist/idealist/philosopher. I'm worth listening to, so fuckin' listen.

Keep It Real wrote:The police are coming round in an hour or so...don't think I want to press charges though because I'd get a reputation as a grass and there might be further violent reprisals. Anybody got a strong opinion about it? I'm still not 100% sure.

My opinion is that you should leave whichever particular poisonous shitheap that you live in. You've been brainwashed, but there's always a semblance of hope so long as you can detach yourself from such contemporary bullshit.

Can you?

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My opinion is that you should leave whichever particular poisonous shitheap that you live in.

I don't have the resources to leave planet earth I'm afraid jamest.

You've been brainwashed, but there's always a semblance of hope so long as you can detach yourself from such contemporary bullshit.

Brainwashed? Me? LOL that's a good one jamest.

Can you?

Commit suicide? No.

Calm down, James, you're hysterical.

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I don't know whether the pros said you're sane or not. I don't even know whether they use that word. Certainly, you can be suffering from mental illness without being insane. It's just plain stupid for someone who knows fuck all about you or mental health services to be trying to undermine your relationship with them because for some idiotic reason he has come to the conclusion that he knows better.

He's been waved off by these professionals as sane, normal.

Prove it.

Any of my thoughts relating to KIR are obviously a reflection of me believing what he has said. You're judging my thoughts as though he is a liar and I should know it, because you simply cannot face the butt-hurt of accepting that he's telling the truth. If he's telling the truth then your beloved "mental health professionals" are winging it, badly. Fact.

Yet we here all know better, that he has problems.

Your reasoning is based on gullibility and love of the sound of your own voice. You can't even get over yourself long enough to ensure your post manages to convey your thoughts adequately. Big surprise to everyone, I'm sure.

Your rude arrogance won't deter me from giving advice to KIR based upon what he tells me. I mean, who the fuck would bother talking to someone when they don't believe a word that they've said, as you've demonstrated relative to KIR?

You're not here for him any more. Your only agenda is defending an inadequate institution which is in dire need of improvement.

If that's not deserving of reasonable contempt for said professionals then you're living in cloud cuckoo land.

Please revise this garbled mess of a post and see if you can come up with a coherent idea in the English language next time.

I'll do that after you pluck your head from your arse, though that might be a problem given the tightness thereof.

Scott's pretty much covered it. Come back when you're done constructing a version of reality to tilt at.

Jamest is channeling Deepak Chopra.

scott1328 wrote:Calm down, James, you're hysterical.

Boy I'll say, haven't laughed that hard since the last inane hubristic blowout.

I don't think it's funny SAM - looks to me like jamest is in a lot of pain.

Eh, if he needs to work it off by attacking me in such fictitious and hubristic fashion, I guess that need is greater than my need to defend myself.

But catharsis is ineffective Fallible, as well you should know.

Keep It Real wrote:I don't think it's funny SAM - looks to me like jamest is in a lot of pain.

How do you figure?

When people behave badly it's usually because they're suffering....my mummy taught me that : )

Keep It Real wrote:When people behave badly it's usually because they're suffering....my mummy taught me that : )

Sometimes, but sometimes they're just acting badly because they don't know any better.

Keep It Real wrote:But catharsis is ineffective Fallible, as well you should know.

It's effective short-term. There's not much point in defending myself against someone who has such an outdated picture of my position and motivation in his head, derived from fuck knows where. It's just very frustrating to have to countenance such a gross butchering of the thing I live every day, and I do find myself reflexively wanting to set the record straight. Almost exactly 24 hours ago, I was sitting with someone who has spent decades pushing absolutely everyone away and constructing a literal wall around himself out of piles of rubbish in his house so he can't reach his own sink, as he told me things he had never told a living soul before, and wet stuff came out of my eyes, which, dammit, I think he saw. Now I'm here, being portrayed as a cold, uncaring, cynical 'madam'. Nowt so queer as folks, eh. Fuck it, it's not a job, it's a privilege...never mind.