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Ciarin wrote:Nebogipfel wrote:OK, I'll bite.
What are the fundamental precepts of Heathenism? (Assuming that this is a sensible question to ask?)
The fundamental precepts of heathenism depend entirely on which branch of heathenism you're talking about. In general, Heathenism tends to put a high value on honor, reputation, tradition, family, ancestry, self-reliance, etc.
Ciarin wrote:Nebogipfel wrote:OK, I'll bite.
What are the fundamental precepts of Heathenism? (Assuming that this is a sensible question to ask?)
The fundamental precepts of heathenism depend entirely on which branch of heathenism you're talking about. In general, Heathenism tends to put a high value on honor, reputation, tradition, family, ancestry, self-reliance, etc.
mmmcheezy wrote:...so basically the same values everyone else has without silly labels?
justanillusion wrote:
So do you actually believe in the existence of Germanic gods and Roman gods (I'm going by your sig here)?
That's a helluva lot of them ... Also, the few pagans are know cannot agree ahether gods are just mentaphors for the named precepts (which should help the pagan concentrate on the individual virtues) or real gods - immaterial superpower beings for us to pray to. Where do you stand?
Nebogipfel wrote:Ciarin wrote:Nebogipfel wrote:OK, I'll bite.
What are the fundamental precepts of Heathenism? (Assuming that this is a sensible question to ask?)
The fundamental precepts of heathenism depend entirely on which branch of heathenism you're talking about. In general, Heathenism tends to put a high value on honor, reputation, tradition, family, ancestry, self-reliance, etc.
That's a bit vague. Can you elucidate on what makes Heathenism specifically... Heathen? How would you describe Heathenism as you practice it?
RealityJunkie wrote:Hey it's not true! I wasn't the one who said it was lame. You can check my posts. I asked what reason you had to believe in heathenism if you didn't evidence.
Ciarin wrote:
Heathenism is the cultural and religious beliefs of ancient northern european tribal peoples reconstructed. The movement started in the 70's I believe. But it had earlier incarnations as well. There are germanic heathens, nordic heathens, anglo-saxon heathens, etc. Some of the heathen religions are Theodism, Fyrnsidu, Asatru, Forn Sed, Odinism, and Urglaawe.
Ciarin wrote:mmmcheezy wrote:...so basically the same values everyone else has without silly labels?
LOL!! You think everyone else has the same values? Srsly?
Ciarin wrote:justanillusion wrote:
So do you actually believe in the existence of Germanic gods and Roman gods (I'm going by your sig here)?
Yes.
That's a helluva lot of them ... Also, the few pagans are know cannot agree ahether gods are just mentaphors for the named precepts (which should help the pagan concentrate on the individual virtues) or real gods - immaterial superpower beings for us to pray to. Where do you stand?
Gods are gods, not metaphors. Or "mentaphors".
justanillusion wrote:
What made you opt for the second pantheon once you had one? Or did you adopt both at once? Do you hold them separate or syncretize them?
mmmcheezy wrote:Ciarin wrote:mmmcheezy wrote:...so basically the same values everyone else has without silly labels?
LOL!! You think everyone else has the same values? Srsly?
RealityJunkie wrote:Ciarin wrote:RealityJunkie wrote:Err... and here I was thinking I was about to read some sort of evidence for Heathenism.
Let me make it easy for you, there's no evidence.
Hmm, is there something else to make up for it?
xsmooth_criminalx wrote:Ciarin wrote:I'm really a Heathen. Did you really expect a serious discussion about heathenism in this thread, especially after your "theism is lame" post?
Why on Earth would you post this thread, then? I would have humoured a discussion on dead religions almost no one believes in had you not taken a cheap shot at Michael, out of fear of having your silly little religion ridiculed by everyone.
Ciarin wrote:
Heathenism is the cultural and religious beliefs of ancient northern european tribal peoples reconstructed. The movement started in the 70's I believe. But it had earlier incarnations as well. There are germanic heathens, nordic heathens, anglo-saxon heathens, etc. Some of the heathen religions are Theodism, Fyrnsidu, Asatru, Forn Sed, Odinism, and Urglaawe.
Moonwatcher wrote:Ciarin wrote:
Heathenism is the cultural and religious beliefs of ancient northern european tribal peoples reconstructed. The movement started in the 70's I believe. But it had earlier incarnations as well. There are germanic heathens, nordic heathens, anglo-saxon heathens, etc. Some of the heathen religions are Theodism, Fyrnsidu, Asatru, Forn Sed, Odinism, and Urglaawe.
Are you familiar with this site
http://www.thorshof.org/thor.htm
or this one
http://www.thorshof.org/thorserp.htm
?
Its an attempt to reconstruct the Norse myths and find some remnants of what the ancient Norsemen might really have believed about their gods. Its long been suspected that the myths as we have them in complete form, written down by Snorri Sturleson, might have been somewhat influenced by his being a Christian and by the Christian culture that existed when he wrote them down.
Apparently, there are historical problems. There's a fragment of Thor's battle with the Midgard Serpent (the one when Thor was on the boat) from the 9th century but in this version, Thor seems to win the battle and kill the serpent. Apparently, there's been at least one temple to Thor unearthed showing the same battle carved into the wall with Thor apparently killing the serpent. The problem is if he killed the serpent there, it wasn't alive to fight him at Ragnorak.
This has brought into question how much Sturleson allowed Christian concepts to seep into his telling and how much he altered some stories.
I would think this would be of interest to both neo-pagans and other people with an interest in Norse myth who, for historical interest, want to get as good an understanding as they can of what the beliefs might historically have been for the ancient Nordic peoples.
By the way I'm not a norse heathen.
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