Nevets wrote:
You see you think i am just taking little bits here and there.
I am not.
I split them up to make them easier to read, and remove the stuff that does not pertain. So it is not a great wall of text,
But its all mentioned in same article

Nevets wrote:

Thomas Eshuis wrote:Repeating a false claim, after being corrected on it is tantamount to lying

What part of Southern netherlands being conquered do you consider a lie? You said, the Netherlands never got touched

Thomas Eshuis wrote:The Elbe runs South to North. Up to the Elbe =/= along the entire length of the Elbe. Nor is temporary occupation the same as conquest. Once again your quote does not support your claim.

I think being full on governed pretty much equals conquer

Thomas Eshuis wrote:I mixed up Hungary wiith the Ukraine

The Romans did not have to conquer Ukraine, the Greeks had already well and truelly done that already

Along with ancient Greek colonies founded in the 6th century BC on the northeastern shore of the Black Sea, the colonies of Tyras, Olbia, Hermonassa, continued as Roman and Byzantine cities until the 6th century. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Ukraine

But yes, Rome took a lot of the Crimea

Thomas Eshuis wrote:No it wasn't and again, see thevmap ST posted earlier.

Oh, yes, it was. I swithered whether to post it or not, and chose just to leave it as germania. But since you insist. The area known today as Poland, got well done in.

As a result of the Roman efforts to subjugate all of Germania, the member tribes of the Suebi alliance were displaced, moved east, conquered the Celtic tribes who stood in their way, and settled: the Quadi in Moravia, the Marcomanni in Bohemia. The latter tribe, under Marbod, formed a quasi-state with a huge army and was able to conquer, among others, the Lugii https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poland_in ... oman_times

laklak wrote:All right, but apart from the sanitation, the medicine, education, wine, public order, irrigation, roads, the fresh-water system, and public health, what have the Romans ever done for us?

The Amber Road was an ancient trade route for the transfer of amber from coastal areas of the North Sea and the Baltic Sea to the Mediterranean Sea. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amber_Road

"the gold of the north", https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amber_Road

From the Black Sea, trade could continue to Asia along the Silk Road, another ancient trade route. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amber_Road

Poland, Germany, Switzerland, The Netherlands, Belgium, France, Southern France and Spain. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amber_Road

Nevets wrote:

Thomas Eshuis wrote:
Another non-sequitur that is false to boot. And again, the Angles were not Norse

Anglesey in Wales, likely derives from Norse

The name of the island may be derived from the Old Norse; either Ǫngullsey "Hook Island https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anglesey#Name

And also the placename was used by both the Vikings and the Normans

but the place name was used by Viking raiders as early as the 10th century and was later adopted by the Normans during their invasions of Gwynedd. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anglesey#Name

Nevets wrote:

laklak wrote:All right, but apart from the sanitation, the medicine, education, wine, public order, irrigation, roads, the fresh-water system, and public health, what have the Romans ever done for us?

So you are telling me the Amber Road, the global trade route, of 1600BC, also known as "the Gold of the North" was given to us by the Romans?

The Amber Road was an ancient trade route for the transfer of amber from coastal areas of the North Sea and the Baltic Sea to the Mediterranean Sea. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amber_Road

Dubbed the gold road of the North

"the gold of the north", https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amber_Road

The Amber road connected Norway to China, the Silk Road

From the Black Sea, trade could continue to Asia along the Silk Road, another ancient trade route. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amber_Road

Other countries connected by the Amber road

Poland, Germany, Switzerland, The Netherlands, Belgium, France, Southern France and Spain. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amber_Road

This global trade route, was not put in place by the Romans.
Italy had not even been conquered by the Latins yet.

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Hermit wrote:The Wikipedia link you just quoted does not say the Angles were Danish or Norse

Oh yes it does. Just not the part i quoted.

This view is based partly on Old English and Danish traditions regarding persons and events of the fourth century, and partly because striking affinities to the cult of Nerthus as described by Tacitus are to be found in pre-Christian Scandinavian religion. The majority of scholars believe that the Anglii lived on the coasts of the Baltic Sea, probably in the southern part of the Jutish peninsula. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angles#Tacitus

Hermit wrote:

LOL. It seems to have escaped your notice that the Danes and Norse turned up in England several centuries after the Angles and Saxons migrated there. Had you paid attention to the text preceding the statement you quoted you might have realised that "This view" is a reference to the Angles having arrived in what later became known as Schleswig-Holstein and Oldenburg from the Baltic regions between the Eider and Elbe rivers to the east-southeast. The Danes came down from what is now known as Norway and Sweden. But you didn't, so you misread the meaning of the statement you quoted, and to nobody's surprise came up with a conclusion that does not follow. The Angles were not Danish, nor were they Norse. It's not what the statement you quoted say either.

Nevets wrote:

Hermit wrote:

LOL. It seems to have escaped your notice that the Danes and Norse turned up in England several centuries after the Angles and Saxons migrated there. Had you paid attention to the text preceding the statement you quoted you might have realised that "This view" is a reference to the Angles having arrived in what later became known as Schleswig-Holstein and Oldenburg from the Baltic regions between the Eider and Elbe rivers to the east-southeast. The Danes came down from what is now known as Norway and Sweden. But you didn't, so you misread the meaning of the statement you quoted, and to nobody's surprise came up with a conclusion that does not follow. The Angles were not Danish, nor were they Norse. It's not what the statement you quoted say either.

You are failing to understand, that my post removal was not done as an admission to defeat.
It was removed because it was a "double post".
I mistakenly post my reply about the ancient amber road, "twice".

And you have confirmed, that the Anglo-saxons were descended from norse-men.

I will however argue, that only the Saxons were descended from Norse-men.

The Anglos, were still very much Norse.

Spearthrower wrote:

And you have confirmed, that the Anglo-saxons were descended from norse-men.

No he hasn't.

I will however argue, that only the Saxons were descended from Norse-men.

They weren't.

The Anglos, were still very much Norse.

Wrong.


You are completely ignorant.

Nevets wrote:
See this map: Jutland. Anglia. Saxony.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anglo-Sax ... th.cen.jpg

The Angles (Old English: Ængle, Engle; Latin: Angli; German: Angeln) were one of the main Germanic peoples[1] who settled in Great Britain in the post-Roman period. They founded a number of kingdoms of Anglo-Saxon England, and their name is the root of the name England ("land of Ængle"). According to Tacitus, before their move to Britain, Angles lived alongside Langobardi and Semnones in historical regions of Schleswig and Holstein, which are today part of northern Germany (Schleswig-Holstein).[2]

The name of the Angles may have been first recorded in Latinised form, as Anglii, in the Germania of Tacitus.

During the fifth century, all Germanic tribes who invaded Britain were referred to as either Englisc, Ængle or Engle, who were all speakers of Old English (which was known as Englisc, Ænglisc, or Anglisc). Englisc and its descendant,

The earliest known mention of the Angles may be in chapter 40 of Tacitus's Germania written around AD 98. Tacitus describes the "Anglii" as one of the more remote Suebic tribes

Edmund, byname Saint Edmund the Martyr, (born 841/842—died Nov. 20, 869; feast day November 20), king of East Anglia (from 855).

Of his life little is known. In the year 869 the Danes, who had been wintering at York, marched through Mercia into East Anglia and took up their quarters at Thetford. https://www.britannica.com/biography/Ed ... ast-Anglia

Spearthrower wrote:

The map shows Angles inhabiting northern Germany - the region, which I've told you a dozen times, is called Schleswig-Holstein, which is part of Germany.

East Anglia takes its name from Anglia, which was in Denmark.

Edmund, byname Saint Edmund the Martyr, (born 841/842—died Nov. 20, 869; feast day November 20), king of East Anglia (from 855).

Of his life little is known. In the year 869 the Danes, who had been wintering at York, marched through Mercia into East Anglia and took up their quarters at Thetford. https://www.britannica.com/biography/Ed ... ast-Anglia

The Angles were a dominant Germanic tribe in the Anglo-Saxon settlement of Britain, and gave their name to the English, England and to the region of East Anglia. Originally from Angeln, present-day Schleswig-Holstein,...

The Angles were Germanic-speaking people that took their name from the Angeln cultural region in Germany.

Angle, member of a Germanic people, which, together with the Jutes, Saxons, and probably the Frisians, invaded the island of Britain in the 5th century ce.

Nevets wrote:Where did East Anglia in Britain get it's name from?

Nevets wrote:It got it's name from the Danes, as southern Denmark used to be called "Anglia".
See Britannica encyclopedia

Edmund, byname Saint Edmund the Martyr, (born 841/842—died Nov. 20, 869; feast day November 20), king of East Anglia (from 855).

Of his life little is known. In the year 869 the Danes, who had been wintering at York, marched through Mercia into East Anglia and took up their quarters at Thetford. https://www.britannica.com/biography/Ed ... ast-Anglia

Edmund, byname Saint Edmund the Martyr, (born 841/842—died Nov. 20, 869; feast day November 20), king of East Anglia (from 855).

Of his life little is known. In the year 869 the Danes, who had been wintering at York, marched through Mercia into East Anglia and took up their quarters at Thetford. Edmund engaged them fiercely in battle, but the Danes under their leaders Ubba and Inguar were victorious and remained in possession of the field of battle.

Spearthrower wrote:The Angles (Old English: Ængle, Engle; Latin: Angli; German: Angeln) were one of the main Germanic peoples

All Germanic languages are derived from Proto-Germanic, spoken in Iron Age Scandinavia. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germanic_languages

Nevets wrote:

Spearthrower wrote:The Angles (Old English: Ængle, Engle; Latin: Angli; German: Angeln) were one of the main Germanic peoples

Correct.

All Germanic languages are derived from Proto-Germanic, spoken in Iron Age Scandinavia. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germanic_languages

Nevets wrote:The Germanics were Scaninavian descended and influenced.

Nevets wrote:The Scandinavians "were not" Germanic descended and influenced.