natselrox wrote:I read the diary of one boy in our school who liked to imagine sexual encounters with his mother. I was like fourteen or fifteen then and was so shocked to read that. Weird!

suicide pacts even, Utopia?

GenesForLife wrote:Nastel you pervert! reading others' diaries?

Well, what can I say? I was the (most innocent) member of the most evil gang of our school.

I threw up a little

GenesForLife wrote:suicide pacts even, Utopia?

I was actually talking about sex, but yeah, that too. Your life is your own for the taking, and if you want to do it with someone else, more power to you.

juːtoʊpiə wrote:

kiki5711 wrote:Well, does anyone feel there is no boundaries ever as long as the people are over 18 and consulting? How far can low can you go?

As long as all parties are consenting and old enough to appreciate what they're consenting to, everthing goes

Do what you like but don't shove it down on me to accept. It is not acceptable in my book.

kiki5711 wrote:

juːtoʊpiə wrote:

kiki5711 wrote:Well, does anyone feel there is no boundaries ever as long as the people are over 18 and consulting? How far can low can you go?

As long as all parties are consenting and old enough to appreciate what they're consenting to, everthing goes

Do what you like but don't shove it down on me to accept. It is not acceptable in my book.

I don't believe anyone was shoving it down on you to accept

Since you mention it, though- why isn't it acceptable?

DoctorE wrote:Daughter/father....
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VBN20gozvSg[/youtube]

The interviewer looks like wants to jump on them and beat them up.

kiki5711 wrote:Well, does anyone feel there is no boundaries ever as long as the people are over 18 and consulting? How far can low can you go?

No boundaries, nope.

Having seen a congenitally blind child as a result of incest (which is quite common in the muslims), I'd say, fuck each other's brains out but don't reproduce. In that case, I have a fucking problem with your little naughty thing.

Ok they are above 18 and are consenting adults. But what if they want to have a child knowing that it may have severe genetic defects. To me that part is unacceptable.

*dons Marlon Brando's voice*

But I'm a superstitious man. And if some unlucky accident should befall the child. Should he be diagnosed with Tay-Sach's disease, should he find himself blind from birth, should he be a schizophrenic...then I'm going to blame some of the people involved. And that I do not forgive. But that aside, let me say that I swear on the souls of my grandchildren (whom I don't fuck, incidentally) that I'll not be the one to break the peace we've made here today.

kiki5711 wrote:Well, does anyone feel there is no boundaries ever as long as the people are over 18 and consulting? How far can low can you go?

That's part of living in a free society. Your personal tastes do not dictate other people's boundaries.

purplerat wrote:

kiki5711 wrote:Well, does anyone feel there is no boundaries ever as long as the people are over 18 and consulting? How far can low can you go?

That's part of living in a free society. Your personal tastes do not dictate other people's boundaries.

It's not just a question of personal taste, given that such a child is EXTREMELY likely to be born with congenital defects. Is it fair on the unborn child ?

r.c wrote:Ok they are above 18 and are consenting adults. But what if they want to have a child knowing that it may have severe genetic defects. To me that part is unacceptable.

At what age would you want to tell people they are no longer allowed to have children? Oh wait you probably want the inbreeding thing which is actually less of a risk than a 72 year old women having a child. Of course neither of these two concerns even apply to this case if you read the story but you have to be careful when going down the road in saying who should or shouldn't be allowed to reproduce.

purplerat wrote:

r.c wrote:Ok they are above 18 and are consenting adults. But what if they want to have a child knowing that it may have severe genetic defects. To me that part is unacceptable.

At what age would you want to tell people they are no longer allowed to have children? Oh wait you probably want the inbreeding thing which is actually less of a risk than a 72 year old women having a child. Of course neither of these two concerns even apply to this case if you read the story but you have to be careful when going down the road in saying who should or shouldn't be allowed to reproduce.

Yea yea blah blah free society and whatevahhhh it's god damn wrong.

iamthereforeithink wrote:

purplerat wrote:

kiki5711 wrote:Well, does anyone feel there is no boundaries ever as long as the people are over 18 and consulting? How far can low can you go?

That's part of living in a free society. Your personal tastes do not dictate other people's boundaries.

It's not just a question of personal taste, given that such a child is EXTREMELY likely to be born with congenital defects. Is it fair on the unborn child ?

See my last post. First of all you obviously didn't even read the story about this particular case and second of all even close incestuous relations are only slightly more likely to result in birth defects. There's a whole list of conditions and circumstances which are much higher risk for birth defects than single generational inbreeding. But most people don't bat an eye at those other situations because we grant the parents the right to make that decision. For example a woman who has had breast cancer should also avoid having children since her offspring would be likely to face the same issues.

kiki5711 wrote:

purplerat wrote:

r.c wrote:Ok they are above 18 and are consenting adults. But what if they want to have a child knowing that it may have severe genetic defects. To me that part is unacceptable.

At what age would you want to tell people they are no longer allowed to have children? Oh wait you probably want the inbreeding thing which is actually less of a risk than a 72 year old women having a child. Of course neither of these two concerns even apply to this case if you read the story but you have to be careful when going down the road in saying who should or shouldn't be allowed to reproduce.

Yea yea blah blah free society and whatevahhhh it's god damn wrong.

Well as an atheist I pay little attention to those things that god has damned as wrong and worry more about what is really wrong.

kiki5711 wrote:

purplerat wrote:

r.c wrote:Ok they are above 18 and are consenting adults. But what if they want to have a child knowing that it may have severe genetic defects. To me that part is unacceptable.

At what age would you want to tell people they are no longer allowed to have children? Oh wait you probably want the inbreeding thing which is actually less of a risk than a 72 year old women having a child. Of course neither of these two concerns even apply to this case if you read the story but you have to be careful when going down the road in saying who should or shouldn't be allowed to reproduce.

Yea yea blah blah free society and whatevahhhh it's god damn wrong.

How insightful
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7hBTqgCGnhU[/youtube]

purplerat wrote:

r.c wrote:Ok they are above 18 and are consenting adults. But what if they want to have a child knowing that it may have severe genetic defects. To me that part is unacceptable.

At what age would you want to tell people they are no longer allowed to have children? Oh wait you probably want the inbreeding thing which is actually less of a risk than a 72 year old women having a child. Of course neither of these two concerns even apply to this case if you read the story but you have to be careful when going down the road in saying who should or shouldn't be allowed to reproduce.

Yeah i know its not relevant to this case. My response was to a slight derail in the thread to incest in general. I just did a cursory search on the risks associated with old women getting pregnant and this is what I found ... Not sure how reliable it is though.

http://40andbetter.obgyn.net/display.as ... ity-111202