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Re: "My Big TOE" - Thomas Campbell

#21  Postby hackenslash » Aug 13, 2014 9:12 pm

I don't think Arxiv accepts facepalms.
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Re: "My Big TOE" - Thomas Campbell

#22  Postby t5aylor » Aug 14, 2014 5:41 pm

No, that was no analog, and it wasn't a good analogy either. Look, I am sure ur 10 year old is a genius, I know all of mine were. But to use them as comparisons to NASA rocket scientists is a bit to narcissistic facebooky, wouldn't you agree?
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Re: "My Big TOE" - Thomas Campbell

#23  Postby The_Metatron » Aug 14, 2014 7:14 pm

You completely missed the point that I was ridiculing your fallacious claim that Cambell must be correct because there are no published peers refuting what he claims.

I showed how ridiculous your claim is by using an example of the imaginings of a ten year old child, which have also not been refuted by published scientists.
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Re: "My Big TOE" - Thomas Campbell

#24  Postby Pulsar » Aug 14, 2014 7:30 pm

t5aylor wrote:But to use them as comparisons to NASA rocket scientists is a bit to narcissistic facebooky, wouldn't you agree?

Campbell isn't a rocket scientist. He worked as a risk assessment consultant for NASA. And he only has a master's degree in physics: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Mindhush
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Re: "My Big TOE" - Thomas Campbell

#25  Postby t5aylor » Aug 14, 2014 9:45 pm

Well what, in your mind, would make him a scientist? Einstein was a patent clerk when he wrote his best stuff. I was hoping to find someone who can criticize his work, not google his alma mater.
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Re: "My Big TOE" - Thomas Campbell

#26  Postby newolder » Aug 14, 2014 10:02 pm

observe, hypothesise, test, repeat.

An observer is a complex structure with an internal model of its own evolution.

It's a simple method that works.
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Re: "My Big TOE" - Thomas Campbell

#27  Postby t5aylor » Aug 15, 2014 5:41 pm

I doubt if they employ such advanced methods at NASA.
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Re: "My Big TOE" - Thomas Campbell

#28  Postby hackenslash » Aug 16, 2014 6:59 pm

t5aylor wrote:Well what, in your mind, would make him a scientist? Einstein was a patent clerk when he wrote his best stuff. I was hoping to find someone who can criticize his work, not google his alma mater.


I did. Which bit of 'it's unfalsifiable' is not a critique?
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#29  Postby hackenslash » Aug 16, 2014 7:01 pm

t5aylor wrote:I doubt if they employ such advanced methods at NASA.


If you think those methods are advanced, no wonder you don't recognise a valid critique. Those are the rudiments of ALL scientific enquiry.
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Re: "My Big TOE" - Thomas Campbell

#30  Postby Pulsar » Aug 17, 2014 1:23 pm

t5aylor wrote:Well what, in your mind, would make him a scientist?

Publications in peer-reviewed journals.

t5aylor wrote:Einstein was a patent clerk when he wrote his best stuff.

Which he published in scientific journals.

t5aylor wrote:I was hoping to find someone who can criticize his work, not google his alma mater.

If he has something relevant to say, he should publish it in peer-reviewed journals. That's where scientific ideas are evaluated. Anything else is not worth addressing.
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Re: "My Big TOE" - Thomas Campbell

#31  Postby t5aylor » Aug 19, 2014 7:18 am

Lets see, darwin didnt publish in a peer reviewed journal, neithef did the patent clerk. Oops. Keep tryin tho.
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Re: "My Big TOE" - Thomas Campbell

#32  Postby surreptitious57 » Aug 19, 2014 7:35 am

Makes no difference because evolution and general relativity are observable phenomenon
Living species are evidence of the first and Eddington determined the second back in 1919
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Re: "My Big TOE" - Thomas Campbell

#33  Postby The_Metatron » Aug 19, 2014 8:20 am

t5aylor wrote:Lets see, darwin didnt publish in a peer reviewed journal, neithef did the patent clerk. Oops. Keep tryin tho.

Like hell.

Darwin published a joint paper with Wallace at the Linnean Society.

As for Einstein:

The Annus mirabilis papers (from Latin annus mīrābilis, "extraordinary year") are the papers of Albert Einstein published in the Annalen der Physik scientific journal in 1905. These four articles contributed substantially to the foundation of modern physics and changed views on space, time, mass, and energy. The annus mirabilis is often called the "miracle year" in English or Wunderjahr in German.


Annalen der Physik (English: Annals of Physics) is one of the oldest scientific journals on physics and has been published since 1799. The journal publishes original, peer-reviewed papers in the areas of experimental, theoretical, applied, and mathematical physics and related areas.


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Re: "My Big TOE" - Thomas Campbell

#34  Postby hackenslash » Aug 19, 2014 10:45 am

The_Metatron wrote:You're new to this science stuff, aren't you?


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Re: "My Big TOE" - Thomas Campbell

#35  Postby Goldenmane » Aug 19, 2014 11:40 am

t5aylor wrote:Lets see, darwin didnt publish in a peer reviewed journal, neithef did the patent clerk. Oops. Keep tryin tho.


Huh.

Interesting pretense you try to shop there.

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Re: "My Big TOE" - Thomas Campbell

#36  Postby newolder » Aug 19, 2014 12:30 pm

t5aylor wrote:Lets see,

Observe - a fine start. :thumbup:
darwin didnt publish in a peer reviewed journal, neithef did the patent clerk.

A sentence horribilis (c.f. 1905) and fail. :thumbdown:
Oops. Keep tryin tho.

Sure you will.
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Re: "My Big TOE" - Thomas Campbell

#37  Postby t5aylor » Aug 21, 2014 12:21 am

I so hoped for better, despite my experience.
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Re: "My Big TOE" - Thomas Campbell

#38  Postby Calilasseia » Aug 21, 2014 12:37 am

t5aylor wrote:I so hoped for better, despite my experience.


What, you mean better than refutation of manifestly false assertions that you presented?

This is what we do here. Namely, test assertions to see if they are in accord with relevant data. A lesson we learned from all those scientists.

Oh by the way, Darwin's work on Cirripedia is still regarded as a seminal work in the field, even by modern biologists.
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Re: "My Big TOE" - Thomas Campbell

#39  Postby pelfdaddy » Aug 21, 2014 1:21 am

This legend that Einstein was a lowly clerk laboring in obscurity until his genius was discovered is false. He was a physicist, academically accomplished, and known to be brilliant. His problem was also his strength: he rejected appeals to authority, thus rubbing his teachers the wrong way and making his life difficult within the academic realm, while also clearing the way for his brilliance to emerge.

He did not have a network of friends like the apple-polishers had, professors refused to recommend him for teaching positions, and he took the only job he could get at the time.
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Re: "My Big TOE" - Thomas Campbell

#40  Postby Goldenmane » Aug 21, 2014 11:55 am

pelfdaddy wrote:This legend that Einstein was a lowly clerk laboring in obscurity until his genius was discovered is false. He was a physicist, academically accomplished, and known to be brilliant. His problem was also his strength: he rejected appeals to authority, thus rubbing his teachers the wrong way and making his life difficult within the academic realm, while also clearing the way for his brilliance to emerge.

He did not have a network of friends like the apple-polishers had, professors refused to recommend him for teaching positions, and he took the only job he could get at the time.


Exactly. He wasn't a patent clerk because he was academically challenged, but because he wasn't inclined to slurp authority cock. He was highly academically qualified. Hell, he had to be qualified to be a fucking patent clerk.
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