Animavore wrote:Nice one. Feser just defined God out of existence.
Great "argument".
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Animavore wrote:
If you think I'm going to argue with the vacuous bollox pulled from the rectum of a guy talking about things he can't possibly know you've another thing coming.
This is old hat to me. I think it's time I threw the moth eaten thing into the skip.
Mick wrote:Animavore wrote:
If you think I'm going to argue with the vacuous bollox pulled from the rectum of a guy talking about things he can't possibly know you've another thing coming.
This is old hat to me. I think it's time I threw the moth eaten thing into the skip.
Okay, well when you have something more than a question begging response, let me know.
What am I doing?
Matthew Shute wrote:Mick wrote:Thus, we say his omniscience is his omnipotence which is his omnipresence, etc..
They're all conceptually distinct, though. Without some theological humpty-dumptyism, those imagined qualities can't be referred to interchangeably. You can't say "omnipotence" if you want to talk about God's all-knowing, since omnipotence doesn't mean that. You can't say "omnipresence" to refer to omni-benevolence - "being" doesn't mean the same as "being goodness". It's an incoherent wibble to claim they're all one "simple" essence. You might as well say: perfect hottness is perfect tallness is perfect hairiness is perfect shininess.
Shrunk wrote:Matthew Shute wrote:Mick wrote:Thus, we say his omniscience is his omnipotence which is his omnipresence, etc..
They're all conceptually distinct, though. Without some theological humpty-dumptyism, those imagined qualities can't be referred to interchangeably. You can't say "omnipotence" if you want to talk about God's all-knowing, since omnipotence doesn't mean that. You can't say "omnipresence" to refer to omni-benevolence - "being" doesn't mean the same as "being goodness". It's an incoherent wibble to claim they're all one "simple" essence. You might as well say: perfect hottness is perfect tallness is perfect hairiness is perfect shininess.
You can always tell you have a killer argument when the person you're arguing against tries to pretend it just doesn't exist.
Clive Durdle wrote:Is not complexity a requirement of existence?
igorfrankensteen wrote:If complexity were a requirement of existence, nothing simple would exist. Since some simple things already exist, this is proven false.
igorfrankensteen wrote:As I tried to point out, there's more than one meaning to the word "simple," and people who say something is "simple" don't necessarily mean it is in the way you want to think that they mean it, to make your arguments work out for you.
Clive Durdle wrote:Is anything in this universe simple? What? Light? Nope, light is something that spacetime with quantum effects does.
Mick wrote:
Properly speaking, God is not a being.
Clive Durdle wrote:OK, please define simple and suggest something simple.
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