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MondusPonens wrote:Well, that's just not sane behavior. They weren't speaking a foreign language. They were just making noises after lots of emotional abuse. At least, that's how I saw it.

Sure, that's what it looks like. But have you ever done it yourself?

Essentially, yes, it's just "making noises" but that's not what it feels like. In my experience, there is more to it than that.

Of course I don't have a reference, I think it was here somewhere, but linguists, and cunning ones at that, have studied the phenomenon and can find no true patterns as you would find in any real language.

Roger Cooke wrote:Wasn't there a scene with Ted Haggard (before his fall from grace) in this film? Or am I simply conflating things, since they all look alike to me?

I agree, it's very heavy-handed indoctrination, from what I hear. Christians are forced to confront their kids with some things that they can't avoid, like Abraham's willingness to sacrifice his son Isaac. I remember when I was a Sunday school teacher trying to explain that to a group of 10-year-olds, since it was in the curriculum. I just made it up as I went along and told them that Abraham was mistaken. God had never ordered such a thing, and the people who wrote the Bible just hadn't yet understood what God was like. In other words, I did what would have gotten me excommunicated centuries ago, if not worse. But I gather the people in "Jesus Camp" abuse the privilege---and the children. Haven't seen it and don't want to.

rezling wrote:

crank wrote:

rezling wrote:

MondusPonens wrote:Well, that's just not sane behavior. They weren't speaking a foreign language. They were just making noises after lots of emotional abuse. At least, that's how I saw it.

Sure, that's what it looks like. But have you ever done it yourself?

Essentially, yes, it's just "making noises" but that's not what it feels like. In my experience, there is more to it than that.

Of course I don't have a reference, I think it was here somewhere, but linguists, and cunning ones at that, have studied the phenomenon and can find no true patterns as you would find in any real language.

They wouldn't find any patterns because it is completely made up by the individual (through the Holy Spirit, of course ) and also changes with mood or circumstance.

I was actually hoping someone else would come along and explain it. I can only explain it physically and in religious terms. I don't know what was really happening.

They constitute, perhaps, the most ignorant class of teachers ever set up to lead a civilized people; they are even more ignorant than the county superintendents of schools. Learning, indeed, is not esteemed in the evangelical denominations, and any literate plowhand, if the Holy Spirit inflames him, is thought to be fit to preach. Is he commonly sent, as a preliminary, to a training-camp, to college? But what a college! You will find one in every mountain valley of the land, with its single building in its bare pasture lot, and its faculty of half-idiot pedagogues and broken down preachers. One man, in such a college, teaches oratory, ancient history, arithmetic and Old Testament exegesis. The aspirant comes in from the barnyard, and goes back in a year or two to the village. His body of knowledge is that of a street-car motorman or a movie actor. But he has learned the clichés of his craft, and he has got him a long-tailed coat, and so has made his escape from the harsh labors of his ancestors, and is set up as a fountain of light and learning.

rezling wrote:I just find it annoying when people mock something they really know nothing about.

I know many people are faking it. Some are not.

Same with the falling over thing. It was probably some trick of the mind or something, but I was definitely not faking. If you were to lose feeling in you arms and legs, for whatever reason, you would probably fall over too.

Hnau von Thulcandra wrote:I never got how this film causes such horror. True, those Pentecostal folks do have rather odd beliefs, but so what? All I saw here was a bunch of cute kids watching Veggie Tales.

Hnau von Thulcandra wrote:I never got how this film causes such horror. True, those Pentecostal folks do have rather odd beliefs, but so what? All I saw here was a bunch of cute kids watching Veggie Tales.

Hnau von Thulcandra wrote:I never got how this film causes such horror. True, those Pentecostal folks do have rather odd beliefs, but so what? All I saw here was a bunch of cute kids watching Veggie Tales.

Animavore wrote:
What about the part, probably not in the clips above (I can't bring myself to watch), but in the film, where Becky Fisher starts telling the kids that Harry Potter is the work of Satan as she works them into a frenzy and has them all crying?

DoctorE wrote:Terrible...

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[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2V90Mps_lAU[/youtube]

DoctorE wrote:Terrible...

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Think Floyd wrote:
These clips truly disgust me. To indoctrinate innocent children into an ancient tradition of ignorance, fear, superstition and guilt is truly among the greatest crimes any person or institution can commit.