Creationist and Evolutionist hypotheses put to the test

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Incl. intelligent design, belief in divine creation

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Re: Creationist and Evolutionist hypotheses put to the test

#141  Postby Alan C » Jul 13, 2020 8:01 am

Aye, shark's teeth sound good right now. Bastard had to be pulled, couldn't be saved, it appeared to be an otherwise healthy tooth too damnit. Got the cotton in the mouth again after having buggerall for lunch [been on liquids since the incident]
Up to now I'd been rather fortunate, no fillings or anything dodgy other than some wisdom teeth out when as school. A few decades then *boom*.

So yes, bollocks to Incompetent Design.
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#142  Postby Fallible » Jul 13, 2020 3:39 pm

Wow, you’ve done very well there. I had regular fluoride treatments from when I was very small to about 16, still ended up with my first filling, a root canal, if you please, at 20.
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#143  Postby laklak » Jul 13, 2020 3:41 pm

I've had fillings since I was 4. Most of my teeth are fake now, but I can't take them out to clean them.

I've literally spent more on dental care for me, the kids, and MRs. Lak than on anything else other than a house.
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Re: Creationist and Evolutionist hypotheses put to the test

#144  Postby Tuor » Jul 13, 2020 7:10 pm

All i know:
1 - All of those that tried to prove the existence of a Good like creature failled;
2 - All of those that tried to prove the non-existence of a Good like creature failled.
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#145  Postby felltoearth » Jul 13, 2020 7:35 pm

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2 - All of those that tried to prove the non-existence of a Good like creature failled.


You cannot prove non-existence. The burden of evidence is on the person making a positive claim: the existence of a god or gods.
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#146  Postby theropod_V_2.0 » Jul 13, 2020 7:37 pm

My tiny pet metallic green dragon says what?

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#147  Postby Fallible » Jul 13, 2020 11:04 pm

What?

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#148  Postby Tuor » Jul 13, 2020 11:40 pm

felltoearth wrote:
Tuor wrote:
2 - All of those that tried to prove the non-existence of a Good like creature failled.


You cannot prove non-existence. The burden of evidence is on the person making a positive claim: the existence of a god or gods.

Yet, that was exactly what Stephan Hawking tried to do. Hubble proved with astronomical evidences that the universe was expanding (doppler effect), it was assumed at the time that the universe was slowing down ist expantion. Stephan Hawking, which had just graduated started working in a project were they planned to triangulate the universe using math, however the results weren't the ones the team was expecting, the universe was increasing its expantion, proving that the universe had an origin, something we currently know as the Big Bang. Stephan Hawking and the others supported the scientifical view (common then) that universe had existed since ever, but they proved otherwise, the universe did had a beggining.

Later, the Catholic Church used the newfound scientifical evidences to state the the act of creatinism was the Big Bang.
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#149  Postby Fallible » Jul 14, 2020 12:06 am

I thought it showed that the BB was the start of the current phase of the universe, not of everything.
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#150  Postby felltoearth » Jul 14, 2020 2:03 am

And what does any of that have to do with god?
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#151  Postby theropod_V_2.0 » Jul 14, 2020 2:51 am

Just watch the old movie, “The Ten Commandments”.

“So let it written, so let it be done.”

When ya own a big chunk of the bloody third world...

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#152  Postby Alan C » Jul 14, 2020 2:58 am

Creationists are all about the cretinism.
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Re: Creationist and Evolutionist hypotheses put to the test

#153  Postby Wortfish » Sep 24, 2020 4:52 pm

OlivierK wrote:
I couldn't be arsed going through your trainwreck of arbitrarily chosen points, but I'll do the one I quoted earlier, about the explanation of geographic diversity.

Evolution: I'm perfectly happy with your evaluation that evolution satisfactorily explains geographic diversity. Therefore 5 points.


Evolution accepts principles such as migration and population isolation that no creationist would dispute.

Creationism: You posit the possibility that kangaroos being native to only Australia could be explained by migration (zero evidence/0 points) or that they may have once been found everywhere, but became extinct outside Australia (zero evidence/0 points).


We have kangaroo-like fossils in India, the presumed route of the marsupials on the way from the Middle East (resting place of the Ark) to Australia: https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/cit ... 327084.cms

The ancestors of the orangutans (based in SE Asia) have also been found in India.
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Re: Creationist and Evolutionist hypotheses put to the test

#154  Postby felltoearth » Sep 24, 2020 8:46 pm

I think you’ve been taken in by shitty reporting or you are simply willing to peddle bad info to suit your narrative. Let’s assume the former as the latter would characterize you as dishonest.

While all kangaroos are marsupials, not all marsupials are kangaroos. This was likely more rat-like, something akin to a possum.

Paper on its discovery, morphology and classification here.

http://palaeontologicalsociety.in/vol50_1/v11.pdf
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Re: Creationist and Evolutionist hypotheses put to the test

#155  Postby OlivierK » Sep 24, 2020 9:35 pm

Wortfish wrote:
OlivierK wrote:
I couldn't be arsed going through your trainwreck of arbitrarily chosen points, but I'll do the one I quoted earlier, about the explanation of geographic diversity.

Evolution: I'm perfectly happy with your evaluation that evolution satisfactorily explains geographic diversity. Therefore 5 points.


Evolution accepts principles such as migration and population isolation that no creationist would dispute.

Well, apart from you, right, because you marked evolution down on this regard in your original scoring, giving this "compelling evidence" "that no creationist would dispute" only 3 out of 5.
Wortfish wrote: distribution of species and the physical isolation of species provides compelling evidence for evolution. The marsupials of Australia, for example, show how an isolated region seems to produce unique animals that are not found elsewhere. (Score: 3)

This idiotic marking down is important, because even your sorry apologism couldn't stop you giving creationism more negative points than evolution.

From that point, you were left with two choices:
(a) honestly conceding that creationism is a bit shit, given that it couldn't even gain fewer negative points from a friendly, biased judge, or
(b) putting your finger on the scales and marking down evolution's positives, even when the scientific evidence is compelling, and even when you admit that even creationists would not dispute it.

You chose (b).

That says nothing at all about creationism or evolution, but plenty about why people here have so little time for your bullshit.

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Re: Creationist and Evolutionist hypotheses put to the test

#156  Postby JustStarDust » Sep 25, 2020 9:42 am

I have time for BS. It's fun.

If that BS does have some truth, then it's interesting to me. I can't speak for everyone in the forum though, obviously.

The more I listen & read about the God story, it apparently goes something like this:

God created stuff, and then Satan wanted his own creation, so God banished him to Earth. Ever since then, Satan has been trying to mess with the original creation, and tempt people to work for him. In doing so, many people assume that God did stuff that Satan actually did, so we blame God for the 'bad' stuff. Which seems pretty lame I must admit - but somewhat interesting if true.

If God does exist, then he or she or it, could fix all of the issues, creating a perfect utopia for all. But maybe it's too late? Maybe it's a huge test of faith? Maybe it's God teaching Satan that his creation methods are 'bad', because the method is cruel and mocking Gods work. Over time, it will be the humans who create the perfect world.
Humans will stop doing bad stuff and in doing so, prove to Satan that even lying and temptation wont work.
Even with or without the belief in anything 'super natural'. We need people to tell the truth, and not take bribes. Expose corruption, etc.
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