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Ah, I gotta admit, I liked it. As soon as it became clear that Bran was able to influence the past, I started thinking about tragic "by his bootstraps/predestination" scenarios. The circularity of the situation means it's not clear who is to blame, and that makes it more tragic, with this retroactive, but unintentional cruelty inflicted on this innocent kid that would come to define him entirely, all for a wholly unnecessary sacrifice: all Bran needed to do was go back and make sure he didn't reveal his location to the White Walkers, and the shit wouldn't have hit the fan. But then, he doesn't really know what he's doing. That's what I find deliciously fucked up about it.willhud9 wrote:Then it's not really a plot device and is more a form of thematic exposition. I think what they did for Hodor wasn't clever or anything. It makes no sense.
I think magical powers should be poorly explained, and should have weird and unpredictable side-effects and edge-cases, just like everything in science does. I can't stand stories where magic is something fixed, solid, and thoroughly shallow and naive, rather than something forever inviting further investigation.willhud9 wrote:That's not my problem as to why it doesn't make sense. Bean being able to warg someone through a greendream is pretty cool. But why did it cause a seizure? Warging is not mind-melting psionics. It isn't even psionics in the sense of mind-control. Warging is the wargs mind and concience merges with the hosts so the warg sees and acts through the host. Nothing more has been established ever. So how did Bran's warging cause a seizure. When magical powers are poorly explained and used cheaply for something like the origin of a character's personality it just strikes me as lazy.
willhud9 wrote:Still explained. Kings blood has power and Melisandre has the power to summon a shadow demon. It's not like Melisandre just waved her hand and Renly died.
Same thing with Bran. Warg powers have been established in the books and the show. It makes no sense what happened in the show. You can't say it's the warg powers as there is no explanation to support that and you can't say magic as what other magic does Bran possess?
willhud9 wrote:That's not my problem as to why it doesn't make sense. Bean being able to warg someone through a greendream is pretty cool. But why did it cause a seizure? Warging is not mind-melting psionics. It isn't even psionics in the sense of mind-control. Warging is the wargs mind and concience merges with the hosts so the warg sees and acts through the host. Nothing more has been established ever. So how did Bran's warging cause a seizure. When magical powers are poorly explained and used cheaply for something like the origin of a character's personality it just strikes me as lazy.
willhud9 wrote:Warg powers have been established in the books and the show. It makes no sense what happened in the show. You can't say it's the warg powers as there is no explanation to support that and you can't say magic as what other magic does Bran possess?
willhud9 wrote:That's not my problem as to why it doesn't make sense. Bean being able to warg someone through a greendream is pretty cool. But why did it cause a seizure? Warging is not mind-melting psionics. It isn't even psionics in the sense of mind-control. Warging is the wargs mind and concience merges with the hosts so the warg sees and acts through the host. Nothing more has been established ever. So how did Bran's warging cause a seizure. When magical powers are poorly explained and used cheaply for something like the origin of a character's personality it just strikes me as lazy.
willhud9 wrote:In the books and show if the warg dies while in its host the warg becomes trapped in the host. Orell had this happen to him with his hawk. It hasn't been made clear what happens to the warg when the host dies though. But the other thing is bran was not warging him. Bran in the greendream was not in the state of warging so its all very confusing as to what exactly happened and from what I gather the show creators just want us to go with it. And for many fans it works and they are fine with it and that's great. But for me and several other people it feels jumbled and not really clear what happened to the point that it distracted enough that the sacrifice made was distracted from because we were still trying to understand what was going on.
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