carl wrote:It seems there are at least two groups of atheists here:
Nope, there is one group of atheists - those who do not believe in gods.
Group 1: The mere thought of an afterlife is not attractive at all. Why keep on living?
What?? Holy non-sequitur, batman!
For those in this group who find their current life boring and unenjoyable, I can see why any continuation (in heaven) of such an unenjoyable life would also be unattractive. If there were something to enjoy, and want to continue to enjoy, then you would be in group 2 (below) instead.
Reading comprehension failure. It's because it would go on forever and you'd just be worshipping God that it would be boring. Read the Bible - it sounds awful. In other words, it would be different from this life, not the same.
However, my general assumption about this group is that whatever they expect in the afterlife - is probably not Biblical - i.e its boring in heaven, living with an old arthritic body, etc. The Bible tells us it will be anything but boring and 'old'.
No one cares about your assumptions, and indeed no one cares what is or is not biblical, especially since you seem content to make shit up about what the bible says when it suits you.
Group 2: There is no proof of an afterlife so its wishful thinking. Wishful in that it would be nice and we do wish it to be true but unfortunately its not.
For those in this group, they do have enjoyable lives and look forward to more of it: the joys and pleasures of new friendships as well as older ones, new things to discover in life, whether it be some sort of adventure, satisfactions that come from accomplishing various tasks, meeting goals, etc., the list goes on...
Sweet merciful crap, where do you get your nonsense from? I mean that is just another completely arbitrary assumption. Does that make sense for believers? That it's only those who have an enjoyable life that wish for an afterlife? Of course it fucking doesn't.
It would seem that IF the afterlife were real (except much better than the current one), this group would want it.
Again, no one cares about what 'it would seem' to you. I don't think you have a proper grasp of the concept of eternity. You'd be doing this stuff
forever.
FOREVER. It wouldn't stay interesting for eternity. It's the very time-limited nature of those things which keeps them interesting. Even in this life some of them start to wear thin. As someone who has moved many times in my life, I can tell you directly that making new friends for example does not remain a joy and a pleasure after the first 20 times.
This, in turn, means there is something within you which wants to live on rather than to die.
You've just discovered the drive to survive which exists in all living organisms. Congratulations.
This desire is Biblical AFAIK.
No one cares.
Ecclesiastes 3: He (God) has also set eternity in their heart...
No one cares about your stupid book.
Not a huge observation but still worth making IMHO.
No one cares about your opinion.
Why? Because interestingly, most here state "there is no proof of an afterlife" and stop at that.
No, they state 'there is no
evidence of an afterlife.
Admitting to wanting an afterlife, however unrealistic, is seen as a 'weakness', I suspect.
No one cares what you suspect.
If I could go through every comment on this forum, how many would say, "Although there is no proof,
Evidence.
it sure would be great and I would really love to have an afterlife in Heaven". I could probably count such admissions on one hand. Such a post would be the exception rather than the rule, for sure.
Yet, we do things on a daily basis to hopefully prolong our lives and not only our own but also take precautions for those whom we love. This, in turn, speaks volumes about our will to continue to live and our desire for our loved ones to live longer too. Otherwise, why take precautions? And if we have a close call, why does our heartrate increase? Is this not a fear reaction?
Yeah...you're still not getting a few basic things here. We all have a drive to keep existing (except in some extreme circumstances) - all living things do. You simply claim that God put it there. You have no evidence for this, it's based on your blind faith, and it can be explained without recourse to your book of fairy tales. Then, again, we have the failure to distinguish between wanting to
prolong life and wanting it to go on forever. You're just making an assumption that if one wants to live
longer, they want to live
forever. I already wrote about my grandmother who made the decision that she had had enough life in her 90s. That didn't stop her when she was in her 40s from seeking prompt medical attention when she started coughing up blood, in order to prolong her life. You simply have no grounds upon which to make the claims you do.
If it were really no big deal for an atheist to die (as some posts here would seem to imply), atheists would be known to forgo chemo and/or even forgo hospitals and emergency rooms, but instead, they want to be rushed for treatment just like anybody else when necessary. Even Christopher Hitchens tried chemo.
I live in hope that one day there will be no more crap for you to extract from your bum and lay down on the forum. That would be heaven to me. Of course it's a big deal to the individual and their loved ones. It just isn't even a hiccup in the grand scheme of things. We as people still remain important to ourselves and to each other, but we don't have the sheer arrogance to think that humans are so special that a separate plane of existence has been created just for us. Your assumptions about atheists realising this and therefore they should not seek medical attention are particularly asinine.
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