Black Hole Properties mentioned in the Quran

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Re: Black Hole Properties mentioned in the Quran

#41  Postby Shrunk » Jan 24, 2014 6:06 pm

Blackadder wrote:


Without any preamble, comment or conclusion?

That is spamming.


He seems to be a contributor to that blog, as well. :nono:
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Re: Black Hole Properties mentioned in the Quran

#42  Postby kennyc » Jan 24, 2014 6:09 pm

campermon wrote:What a load of bollocks.

Stop mangling your holy book. It was written by uneducated goat herders who knew jack about science.

And before you start on the Koran describing the developing fetus, my advice is don't. You won't win.

Also,

Welcome to the forum! :beer:

Be sure to read the FUA and enjoy!

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Re: Black Hole Properties mentioned in the Quran

#43  Postby Shrunk » Jan 24, 2014 6:15 pm

Our itinerant friend and colleague, majmal, posted both of these articles on the same day:

How to not regret the past…

In Islam there is a concept of taqdeer that helps a person not regret the mistakes of his past. Allah has written down the deeds of every person before he or she sets foot on earth so whatever a person does in this life is already written for him in book whether good or bad. Whatever we are doing now and will do in the future it was already in Allah’s knowledge when we were in our mother’s wombs. Knowing this helps a person not regret the past because he or she realizes that nothing different could ever have happened.

http://majmal.byethost12.com/?p=22


What is the laanat (curse) of Allah?

The curse of Allah as mentioned in the Qur’an happens to people when they go against their fitra their natural disposition on which Allah created them. It is the result of the God being angry with them. Sins such as watching TV invite the curse of Allah. As a result the person loses whatever little noor (light) he she has, this loss of light causes a person to become more deaf, blind and dumb. Sins or bad actions (sayyiat) such as useless talking, TV, sports, masturbation, shaving the beard etc invite the curse of Allah. Good actions (hasanaat) such as prayer, fasting, eating natural food, giving food to others (especially the poor) etc removes the curse of Allah and allows a person to regain his/her lost light.

http://majmal.byethost12.com/?p=18


Perhaps on your next visit, majmal, you can explain to us how those two ideas can be reconciled. :ask:
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Re: Black Hole Properties mentioned in the Quran

#44  Postby Fallible » Jan 24, 2014 7:03 pm

Also:


Will people that commit suicide ever get to Heaven?

People the kill themselves intentionally will never get to Heaven. The last actions of a person before he or she dies are very important because they can decide the ultimate fate of the person. If the last actions on a person’s lips are the remembrance of Allah before he or she dies (la ilaha illa-Allah) then that means he or she died a good death. However those that kill themselves die a death of heedlessness and die a death where satan has fully tricked them into disbelieving in good and an after-life. They think that if they kill themselves it is the end. Sadly they are mistaken. Such people whose last actions are bad ones such as suicide will burn in Hell forever, because it means they died without belief in God.



How to not regret the past…

In Islam there is a concept of taqdeer that helps a person not regret the mistakes of his past. Allah has written down the deeds of every person before he or she sets foot on earth so whatever a person does in this life is already written for him in book whether good or bad. Whatever we are doing now and will do in the future it was already in Allah’s knowledge when we were in our mother’s wombs. Knowing this helps a person not regret the past because he or she realizes that nothing different could ever have happened.


Allah has written down the deeds of every person before they set foot on earth, knowing this helps them not regret the past because they realise they could not have done differently. So Allah has written that some people will commit suicide, they cannot do differently, but for doing that which they could not do differently they burn in Hell forever.

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Re: Black Hole Properties mentioned in the Quran

#45  Postby Evolving » Jan 24, 2014 7:06 pm

We're all Barbies and Kens in a dolls' house belonging to a vindictive, disturbed, psychopathic child.
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Re: Black Hole Properties mentioned in the Quran

#46  Postby Blackadder » Jan 24, 2014 8:40 pm

This kind of infantile wankery is what passes for popular wisdom in muslim circles, trust me.
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Re: Black Hole Properties mentioned in the Quran

#47  Postby Shrunk » Jan 24, 2014 9:11 pm

What I find cute is that all of the sins he mentions involve things like masturbating, watching TV and shaving your beard.

Yeah, Allah really has his priorities in order. :lol:
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Re: Black Hole Properties mentioned in the Quran

#48  Postby Shrunk » Jan 25, 2014 1:15 am

I left the following message on his blog:

Hello, majmal. I am a member of the RationalSkepticism discussion board, where you joined and started a thread last November. After leaving a single message, you did not reappear until you left a second message today, advertising your blog:

http://www.rationalskepticism.org/islam ... 42544.html

It is clear you have no intention of actually participating in ongoing discussion at RationalSkepticism and are only interested in proselytizing and advertising your blog (i.e. spamming). This is in direct violation of the rules of that forum, to which you agreed to abide when you registered as a member.

This means that you lied when you joined the group.

Is lying not a sin in Islam? Or is Islamic "morality" only concerned with harmless, private acts, like masturbating or shaving one's beard?

If you are trying to spread Islam, you are instead showing how absurd and morally bankrupt it is thru your own words and actions. So, please, keep up the good work of driving people away from Islam.


Currently "awaiting moderation". Any bets on whether it gets posted?
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Re: Black Hole Properties mentioned in the Quran

#49  Postby Onyx8 » Jan 25, 2014 1:22 am

Masturbation is a sin because it goes against how Allah created human beings. It has negative effects on a person and also hinders their ability to talk to other people. That is the punishment from Allah for those that masturbate is that they are no longer able to talk to other people due to this sin affecting their mind. Especially if masturbation is accompanied with watching pornography.


Where does it mention 'watching pornography' in the Koran? Does the Koran also predict internet porn? Cool.

ps. Not taking your bet Shrunk.
The problem with fantasies is you can't really insist that everyone else believes in yours, the other problem with fantasies is that most believers of fantasies eventually get around to doing exactly that.
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Re: Black Hole Properties mentioned in the Quran

#50  Postby Oeditor » Jan 25, 2014 3:16 pm

The Daily Mail, bless its little cotton socks, has just discovered a Skype communication by Stephen Hawking in which, it says, he declares that there are no black holes, only grey ones. This, apparently, is disputed. So now's the chance for the Koranic Scientists to tell us, before the physicists make their minds up: which did Allah say there are, black ones or grey ones?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2545552/Stephen-Hawking-admits-no-black-holes-GREY-holes.html
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Re: Black Hole Properties mentioned in the Quran

#51  Postby Thomas Eshuis » Jan 25, 2014 3:21 pm

Seems a rather one way form of communication so far.
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Re: Black Hole Properties mentioned in the Quran

#52  Postby PCS » Jan 27, 2014 9:57 am

Onyx8 wrote:
Masturbation is a sin because it goes against how Allah created human beings. It has negative effects on a person and also hinders their ability to talk to other people. That is the punishment from Allah for those that masturbate is that they are no longer able to talk to other people due to this sin affecting their mind. Especially if masturbation is accompanied with watching pornography.


Where does it mention 'watching pornography' in the Koran? Does the Koran also predict internet porn? Cool.

ps. Not taking your bet Shrunk.


I am extremely interested in an explanation of the above bolded (bolded by me for emphasis). Because I have in the past :shifty: masturbated and never felt an effect on my ability to talk to other people.

If he himself feels a correlation between his social skills and his masturbation; he is either doing it wrong, or he has serious mental health issues which need immediately addressed.

Maybe he means talking to other people while masturbating, :scratch: now that is an entirely different ballgame!
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Re: Black Hole Properties mentioned in the Quran

#53  Postby Scot Dutchy » Jan 27, 2014 11:22 am

Maybe the OP would like to read the following about all the different versions of the koran:

http://answering-islam.org/Green/seven.htm
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Re: Black Hole Properties mentioned in the Quran

#54  Postby Shrunk » Jan 27, 2014 11:52 am

PCS wrote:
Onyx8 wrote:
Masturbation is a sin because it goes against how Allah created human beings. It has negative effects on a person and also hinders their ability to talk to other people. That is the punishment from Allah for those that masturbate is that they are no longer able to talk to other people due to this sin affecting their mind. Especially if masturbation is accompanied with watching pornography.


Where does it mention 'watching pornography' in the Koran? Does the Koran also predict internet porn? Cool.

ps. Not taking your bet Shrunk.


I am extremely interested in an explanation of the above bolded (bolded by me for emphasis). Because I have in the past :shifty: masturbated and never felt an effect on my ability to talk to other people.

If he himself feels a correlation between his social skills and his masturbation; he is either doing it wrong, or he has serious mental health issues which need immediately addressed.

Maybe he means talking to other people while masturbating, :scratch: now that is an entirely different ballgame!


Yes, I mentioned that in another comment on his blog (without going details of my personal life as you have done, however.) The comment is still awaiting moderation, but I'm sure that's just because majmal or the site's administrator (assuming they are different people) are otherwise engaged at the moment. I'm confident the comment will soon be posted, just as I'm confident that it's mere coincidence that the only comments that have been approved so far are from someone named "Dr. Ajmal". :coffee:
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Re: Black Hole Properties mentioned in the Quran

#55  Postby PCS » Jan 27, 2014 2:30 pm

I apologise for being too brusque in my comment, thought we wouldn't be as sexually repressed here as the religious type. I meant my comment with humour but in retrospect, there was no need for it. While I would be surprised if the comment fell foul of the FUA (I have read worse here), I wish to apologise for making a comment of a sexual nature even though I was responding to someone that had commented on that (which may brush on 1.3 of the FUA).

Still surprises me how taboo that act still is for a lot of people but that may be another topic of its own, apologies nonetheless.
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Re: Black Hole Properties mentioned in the Quran

#56  Postby BlackBart » Jan 27, 2014 4:24 pm

Evolving wrote:We're all Barbies and Kens in a dolls' house belonging to a vindictive, disturbed, psychopathic child.


Still, mustn't grumble, eh?
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Re: Black Hole Properties mentioned in the Quran

#57  Postby Shrunk » Jan 27, 2014 4:36 pm

PCS wrote:I apologise for being too brusque in my comment, thought we wouldn't be as sexually repressed here as the religious type. I meant my comment with humour but in retrospect, there was no need for it. While I would be surprised if the comment fell foul of the FUA (I have read worse here), I wish to apologise for making a comment of a sexual nature even though I was responding to someone that had commented on that (which may brush on 1.3 of the FUA).

Still surprises me how taboo that act still is for a lot of people but that may be another topic of its own, apologies nonetheless.


No need to apologize. I took no offence by your comment and was only speaking tongue-in-cheek. In retrospect, I should have added a smiley.

In my comment on majmal's blog I suggested that, if his claim were true, the planet would be almost entirely populated by people who were mute.
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Re: Black Hole Properties mentioned in the Quran

#58  Postby termina » Jan 27, 2014 7:00 pm

Oeditor wrote:The Daily Mail, bless its little cotton socks, has just discovered a Skype communication by Stephen Hawking in which, it says, he declares that there are no black holes, only grey ones. This, apparently, is disputed. So now's the chance for the Koranic Scientists to tell us, before the physicists make their minds up: which did Allah say there are, black ones or grey ones?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2545552/Stephen-Hawking-admits-no-black-holes-GREY-holes.html

They'd probably spout the convenient "the Quran isn't a book of science" excuse. But should the issue about black holes be settled, they'd scramble to shoehorn the discovery to their scripture and say "Amazing! Yet another scientific prediction from the Quran. How could a 7th-century illiterate have known that?"
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Re: Black Hole Properties mentioned in the Quran

#59  Postby Evolving » Jan 27, 2014 7:11 pm

There's no such thing as phlogiston or the luminiferous ether, and - who would have thought it - the Koran doesn't mention either of them!

Now if you're not convinced by that, there's no helping you.
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Re: Black Hole Properties mentioned in the Quran

#60  Postby Oeditor » Jan 27, 2014 10:25 pm

Evolving wrote:There's no such thing as phlogiston or the luminiferous ether, and - who would have thought it - the Koran doesn't mention either of them!

Now if you're not convinced by that, there's no helping you.
Still, it has its compensations. The Koran doesn't mention polystrate fossils and the Grand Canyon either, let alone the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics or Shannon and Kolmogorov information, so Young Earth creationism is clearly bunkum. Regardless of whatever AiG and their friends might have told Adnan Oktar.
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