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Re: America's slide into fascism

#241  Postby Seabass » Nov 14, 2023 5:34 am

Ruth Ben-Ghiat:

Trump Really Doesn't Want You to Call Him a Fascist
So why is he using Fascist rhetoric?


Former President Donald Trump REALLY does not want you to call him a Fascist. Being compared to old-school dictators such as Adolf Hitler or Benito Mussolini makes him and his handlers crazy: he even sued CNN for defamation over this issue (a Trump-appointed judge dismissed the lawsuit). So why is he using Fascist rhetoric?

If you've read the news lately, you'll know that Trump went to New Hampshire on Veterans Day and delivered a news-making speech that included a "pledge" to "root out the communists, Marxists, fascists and the radical left thugs that live like vermin within the confines of our country that lie and steal and cheat on elections.”

As I argued in a recent Lucid essay, violence is now Trump's brand. To that end, he conjures existential threats to the nation from non-White immigrants and an expanding cast of internal enemies, calls the thugs who are in prison for assaulting the Capitol on Jan. 6 "political prisoners," and praises autocrats such as Xi Jinping and Vladimir Putin who depend on propaganda, corruption, and repression to stay in power.

All of this is part of his effort to re-educate Americans to see violence as justified, patriotic, and even morally righteous.

But to get people to lose their aversion to violence, savvy authoritarians also dehumanize their enemies. That’s what Trump is doing. Hitler used this ploy from the very start, calling Jews the “black parasites of the nation” in a 1920 speech. By the time Hitler got into power in 1933 and translated dehumanizing rhetoric into repressive policies, Germans had heard these messages for over a decade.

As a historian of autocracy with a specialization in Italian Fascism, the use of the "vermin" image got my attention. Mussolini used similar language in his 1927 Ascension Day speech which laid out Fascism's intention to subject leftists and others to "prophylaxis" measures to defend the Italian state and society from their nefarious influences.

By the time Il Duce delivered this landmark address, the dictatorship had been in place for two years, and opposition politicians and the press were in prison or had gone into exile. That did not stop him from talking about killing "rodents who carry infectious diseases from the East: the East that brings us lovely things, such as yellow fever and Bolshevism."

Mussolini loved to make jokes in his speeches to Parliament, and this one elicited laughter —or so says the official transcript. He is speaking about actual rats but, as the Bolshevism comment makes clear, also about Communists. “We remove these individuals from circulation just like a doctor does with an infected person,” he concluded chillingly about leftists and other targeted categories of people.

Trump's recent comment about undocumented immigrants "polluting the blood of our country" is in the same vein, as are the ideas circulating among his 2025 advance team to deport millions of immigrants and "quarantine" others in massive camps.

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Re: America's slide into fascism

#242  Postby The_Piper » Nov 14, 2023 1:51 pm

I can't believe he gave a "speech" in Claremont, New Hampshire. Donald Trump helping put NH on the map. Notice I didn't say that I'm surprised he's mirroring facist talking points. He's been doing that for years, though it's definitely gotten worse over time, as has his cognitive function. Which was pretty low to begin with. I'm sure a majority of NH'ers would rather catapult him from the summit of Mt. Washington, and have him land in Lake Winnipesauke. Or Mars. "Nars" as Trump would say.
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Re: America's slide into fascism

#243  Postby The_Piper » Nov 14, 2023 8:32 pm

Actually to finish my thought by preaching to the choir about the fact that candidates spend so much time in Iowa and New Hampshire is so weird. I understand why they do, but it seems suboptimal.
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Re: America's slide into fascism

#244  Postby Seabass » Nov 17, 2023 9:25 pm

Suppose They Threw a Cage Match Between Fascism and Democracy and Nobody Cared
https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2023/11/trump-vermin-speech-democracy-fascism-2024.html
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Re: America's slide into fascism

#245  Postby Alan C » Nov 19, 2023 12:12 am

SO noticed Fucker KKKArlson is trending on Shitter (X).
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Re: America's slide into fascism

#246  Postby Seabass » Nov 23, 2023 2:36 am

The Case for Amplifying Trump's Insanity

We live in dangerous times — when citizens need top quality information to make informed, wise choices. But the press is failing to meet the moment. This isn’t some cheap shot at “the media.” It’s a good faith critique of a key democratic institution that hasn’t adapted enough to a dangerous authoritarian threat.

There are now two leading candidates for the American presidency.

One of them is a 77 year-old racist, misogynist bigot who has been found liable for rape, who incited a deadly, violent insurrection aimed at overturning a democratic election, who has committed mass fraud for personal enrichment, who is facing 91 separate counts of felony criminal charges against him, and who has overtly discussed his authoritarian strategies for governing if he returns to power.

The other is 80 years old with mainstream Democratic party views who sometimes misspeaks or trips. (There may be other reasons to criticize Joe Biden, but the main one discussed in the press is his age).

One of those two candidates faces relentless newspaper columns and TV pundit “takes” arguing that he should drop out of the race. (Spoiler alert: it’s somehow *not* the racist authoritarian sexual abuse fraudster facing 91 felony charges).

[...]

There’s a puzzle at the heart of Trump news and it’s this: why doesn’t the press go FULL BLOCK CAPITALS when a leading presidential candidate, yet again, incites violence?

If Joe Biden called to execute shoplifters, do you think there’d be a big headline in the New York Times, or do you think you’d have to scroll well past the articles on pumpkin spice lattes and DogTV to find out about it?

We all know the answer.

When Joe Biden didn’t trip but nearly tripped last week, it was headline news. How absurd is that? A candidate who didn’t quite fall over is a bigger news story than a candidate calling to execute shoplifters? (For the record, roughly ten percent of the US population shoplifts, so millions would face potential execution under Trump’s proposal).

This is what I call the Banality of Crazy—and it’s warping the way that Americans think about politics in the Trump and post-Trump era.

https://www.forkingpaths.co/p/the-case-for-amplifying-trumps-insanity
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Re: America's slide into fascism

#247  Postby Calilasseia » Nov 23, 2023 11:14 pm

Trouble being of course, that if anything, the MAGA'l Qaeda are even more batshit insane than Trump is. Amplifying the Orange Scrotum's own clinical issues runs the risk of merely giving his base even bigger hard ons. But it's a risk I agree needs to be taken as a step toward keeping the USA from becoming Pavelic's Croatia with nukes.
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Re: America's slide into fascism

#248  Postby Animavore » Dec 01, 2023 6:39 pm

It was of a matter of time before this American-style neofascism reached our shores.

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Re: America's slide into fascism

#249  Postby THWOTH » Dec 01, 2023 9:03 pm

Their granddas should give em a good talking too, and perhaps a bit of a slap while they're at it.
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Re: America's slide into fascism

#250  Postby Alan C » Dec 01, 2023 9:23 pm

Calilasseia wrote:Trouble being of course, that if anything, the MAGA'l Qaeda are even more batshit insane than Trump is. Amplifying the Orange Scrotum's own clinical issues runs the risk of merely giving his base even bigger hard ons. But it's a risk I agree needs to be taken as a step toward keeping the USA from becoming Pavelic's Croatia with nukes.


He also needs to stop getting any more of the absurdly preferential treatments he's been getting wrt his indictments and gag orders. For the documents case alone he should be in a fucking cell awaiting trial.
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#251  Postby The_Piper » Dec 01, 2023 10:33 pm

Far-right losers are spreading their diseases around the western world like a virus. Conor McGregor is on roids or something. Or both. I don't know much about him but I saw a report that he hit a mascot in a basketball game with a couple haymakers, when it was supposed to be a fun gag before the game. The guy had to go to the hospital. Fucking maniac. Definitely roids. I hope he's charged. Elon Muskkk spreading his diarrhea. I'm sure he's committed a felony or three on several different continents. In a just world, this behavior would shine a spotlight on him from the FBI. Mid-life crisis dildo. Fucking complete garbage, man. All the undeserved breaks that the US has given him financially, and regulatorily. Hey that's a word. <----Stream of consciousness included.
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Re: America's slide into fascism

#252  Postby THWOTH » Dec 01, 2023 11:46 pm

There's no such thing as a play fight with a professional fighter. Doesn't matter how lightly you tap them they're always going hit you back harder.
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#253  Postby The_Piper » Dec 02, 2023 12:27 am

THWOTH wrote:There's no such thing as a play fight with a professional fighter. Doesn't matter how lightly you tap them they're always going hit you back harder.

Harder is one thing, this is ridiculous. He's supposed to be a pro, he should be able to control how hard he swings. Look at this, it's completely ludicrous. I typed "Conor" into the search bar and this was the second autofill result on Youtube "Conor McGregor mascot." :shock:
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#254  Postby THWOTH » Dec 02, 2023 1:04 am

I hope that chicken has medical.
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Re: America's slide into fascism

#255  Postby Animavore » Dec 02, 2023 7:51 am

Funny thing is these US far-right guys, and a lot of people across the far-right in Europe who have been posting comments congratulating Ireland and believe we are close to some sort of rebellion, don't understand is that the far-right only got 1% of the vote in the last election and have no seats in the Dáil (parliament). How much influence McGregor, and Musk, and the latest incidents will effect the next election is hard to gauge but I can't imagine it being much as the riots seem to be deeply unpopular at home.

The riots started over guy stabbed a bunch of children in the city. The media was slow to release details but social media said it was a foreigner. There was accusations that the government was deliberately holding this information but the guy had been tackled and beaten and was in hospital. Gardaí don't release information until a person has been charged but he wasn't in any fit state for questioning. A crowd of 'protesters' gathered at the scene and the Gardaí told them to back away, that it was a crime scene. A Garda car drove right up to them and they started kicking and smashing the car. From there they just kind of went on a rampage. Burning trams, buses, police cars, and finally looting stores. Until the riot police arrived and cleared them away.

They were supposed to have another 'protest' the next night but because of high police presence they stayed away.

It turned out after that the guy who stabbed the kids was a naturalised Irish-citizen. Made a citizen around 20 years ago. He was not some 'unvetted refugee' like the protesters were claiming. He was also tackled by a Brazilian Deliveroo cyclist who attacked him with his bicycle helmet. One of the children stabbed was also a foreign national.

A GoFundMe to buy the cyclist a pint was started and the last I checked it was near €200,000. Anther GoFundMe set up for the kids that raised around the same.


The far-right WhatsApp group, according to the screenshots being shared around, comprised of 400 members. If this very tiny group think they are going to be able to strong arm the rest of the country into following their ludicrous demands they have another thing coming. And if they really do want a civil war then I say bring it.
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#256  Postby The_Metatron » Dec 03, 2023 1:44 pm

That’s a lot of pints, eh? Good on the bicyclist!
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Re: America's slide into fascism

#257  Postby Seabass » Dec 04, 2023 3:22 am

Perhaps Trump was right about the media being the enemy of the people.

Major news outlets gave much less coverage to Trump’s “vermin” attack than they did Clinton’s “deplorables” remark
https://www.mediamatters.org/donald-trump/major-news-outlets-gave-much-less-coverage-trumps-vermin-attack-then-they-did-clintons

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Re: America's slide into fascism

#258  Postby Alan C » Dec 04, 2023 8:42 am

Disgraceful.
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Re: America's slide into fascism

#259  Postby THWOTH » Dec 04, 2023 10:37 am

"The Media" has become a rather loaded term these days, particularly when applied by politicians criticising "the media" for criticising them. They promote their judgements on the legitimacy, or otherwise, of "the media" to report, analyse, and comment in "the media" of course, and in political contexts rooted in identity frameworks where each tribe knows that such criticism is reserved only for *the media" of the other side - and where criticism from any quarter automatically deposits the critic in the enemy camp.

The media is a diverse landscape, but by lumping all of it together under one laden term the political operator sets themselves up as the only legitimate, reliable or trustworthy source of information about themselves. This reflects much of our contemporary political discourse, where political interests have become the primary source of information, analysis and commentary about themselves, and the role of "the media" is to simply offer a platform through which to uncritically disseminate curated political narratives. Commercial media is complicit in this, though to varying degrees, because ultimately commercial media and politicians seek to court and promote the same broad spectrum of capital interests.
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Re: America's slide into fascism

#260  Postby The_Piper » Dec 04, 2023 3:03 pm

CNN actually gave Trump a "town hall" event recently. As if he's a legit purveyor of policies? Interested in helping Americans as a whole? He's out of his mind and a grave threat not only to the US, but basically the entire globe. Which their pundits have been saying for 8 years. Surreal.
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