chairman bill wrote:A racist, all-white jury will find him 'innocent', or accept a plea of manslaughter & a penalty of community service.

South Carolina's known for its "racist, all-white juries," is it? Today, not 50 years back.

As for whether posters would be lining up to justify the shooting without the video, it's doubtful: the facts of the case are very different to other incidents. In several of the other threads, I specifically highlighted the obsolete fleeing felon rule as an example of when deadly force isn't justified. As for the taser, there'd of course be questions raised about where it came from; ditto the distance and direction of the officer's bullets.

Well I'm sure we'll see another unarmed man or woman killedmurdered by police before the week is out. Maybe we should have a little wager on the method they'll use on the next one and what excuse they'll use to justify it.

Teague wrote:Well I'm sure we'll see another unarmed man or woman killedmurdered by police before the week is out. Maybe we should have a little wager on the method they'll use on the next one and what excuse they'll use to justify it.

Perhaps an updated version of Cluedo would help?



"It was officer Himmler ... with the baton ... at the traffic stop ... because the guy was wearing checks and stripes!"

Just a few random thoughts about this.

It appears the video has been edited. There is some kind of verbal or physical confrontation that has just happened when the black man starts running away. We don't see the confrontation.

I can't believe the suspect is 50-years-old. Surely a black man of any age in South Carolina of all places knows that running away from a cop gives the cop a license to kill you and blame you for your death? Was the dude crazy?

What ever happened to the "halt! or I'll shoot!" warning that cops used to be required by law to shout before they used deadly force? I guess the NRA or somebody did away with that pesky law.

Why did it take eight shots to shoot a man at close range? The six bullets that didn't go into the suspect's body could have killed bystanders.

Why the hell was the suspect handcuffed after he was shot and down?

Just another day in America. If you're black, you become a suspect the day you're born.

Does the confrontation matter? The pertinent parts are he was shot in the back and was unarmed and then the cop planted the gun next to him.

Why does it matter why it took 8 shots? I'm sure the victim would have preferred his killer to be less capable with a firearm - he might still be alive today.

Judging by the injustice system in the US, I can't think of a single reason why a black man would want to run away from the police!

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

if you value your life, don't persue liberty by running from a cop coz he might be triggerhappy

Teague wrote:Well I'm sure we'll see another unarmed man or woman killedmurdered by police before the week is out. Maybe we should have a little wager on the method they'll use on the next one and what excuse they'll use to justify it.

On another forum I frequent, stats were posted showing 111 people were killed by cops in March 2015.

I'll bet they will say "I feared for my life! He went for my gun!" In the next one that makes the news.

Willie71 wrote:

Teague wrote:Well I'm sure we'll see another unarmed man or woman killedmurdered by police before the week is out. Maybe we should have a little wager on the method they'll use on the next one and what excuse they'll use to justify it.

On another forum I frequent, stats were posted showing 111 people were killed by cops in March 2015.

I'll bet they will say "I feared for my life! He went for my gun!" In the next one that makes the news.

111 unarmed?

Update

Oh....


"there was a struggle over the gun apparently..."

Where did we hear that excuse before?

At this rate we need an "Unarmed Black Man Killed by Police" super thread to deal with all these cases.

Blood wrote:Just a few random thoughts about this.

It appears the video has been edited. There is some kind of verbal or physical confrontation that has just happened when the black man starts running away. We don't see the confrontation.

I can't believe the suspect is 50-years-old. Surely a black man of any age in South Carolina of all places knows that running away from a cop gives the cop a license to kill you and blame you for your death? Was the dude crazy?

What ever happened to the "halt! or I'll shoot!" warning that cops used to be required by law to shout before they used deadly force? I guess the NRA or somebody did away with that pesky law.

Actually, the Supreme Court determined that police are no longer permitted to shoot if they aren't trying to prevent imminent danger to the public. Even if he yelled something, he shouldn't be shooting.

Why did it take eight shots to shoot a man at close range? The six bullets that didn't go into the suspect's body could have killed bystanders.

Why the hell was the suspect handcuffed after he was shot and down?

Just another day in America. If you're black, you become a suspect the day you're born.

Actually, more whites get killed by police than blacks. It's just that when a white person gets killed by police, it doesn't make the national news. The problem is not race specific; it's a general issue with police getting away with murder.

Byron wrote:As for whether posters would be lining up to justify the shooting without the video, it's doubtful: the facts of the case are very different to other incidents. In several of the other threads, I specifically highlighted the obsolete fleeing felon rule as an example of when deadly force isn't justified. As for the taser, there'd of course be questions raised about where it came from; ditto the distance and direction of the officer's bullets.

Indeed, there was video evidence in two of the other three recently discussed cases as well. The issue is that the facts are different in each case. In this case, the policeman was pretty clearly in the wrong.

Teague wrote:Does the confrontation matter?

Only if the law says "put on a police uniform and shoot anyone that messes with you".
I'm not a lawyer or anything, but.....

smudge wrote:

Teague wrote:Does the confrontation matter?

Only if the law says "put on a police uniform and shoot anyone that messes with you".
I'm not a lawyer or anything, but.....

It's not the law that sais this, just past experience.
Hopefully they hit this idiot cop so hard with the book that experience tells others to change their attitude.

Jerome Da Gnome wrote:How about they are required to be insured, then even if the department lets them get away with it they will lose their insurance and not be able to work.

Or, how about police stop murdering citizens, and face the consequences if they do?

They're already required not to murder people. If they can do that with impunity, do you think they are going to worry much about having an insurance card?

HughMcB wrote:At this rate we need an "Unarmed Black Man Killed by Police" super thread to deal with all these cases.

There was a recent story of a black cop shooting an unarmed white guy, but that doesn't fit the narrative many of our America-bashers want. They want the racism angle.

The_Metatron wrote:

Jerome Da Gnome wrote:How about they are required to be insured, then even if the department lets them get away with it they will lose their insurance and not be able to work.

Or, how about police stop murdering citizens, and face the consequences if they do?

They're already required not to murder people. If they can do that with impunity, do you think they are going to worry much about having an insurance card?

Agreed, but the self-investigating system is not working. Requiring them to be insured places an outside interest in the action. Insurance companies didn't like to pay out, and they will not insure bad risks, therefore bad cops will be removed even if the system protects them.

smudge wrote:

Teague wrote:Does the confrontation matter?

Only if the law says "put on a police uniform and shoot anyone that messes with you".
I'm not a lawyer or anything, but.....

heh