Warren Dew wrote:...
Actually, more whites get killed by police than blacks. It's just that when a white person gets killed by police, it doesn't make the national news. The problem is not race specific; it's a general issue with police getting away with murder.

Do you really need to have the error in thinking that you make here spelled out? Really?

Teague wrote:

Willie71 wrote:

Teague wrote:Well I'm sure we'll see another unarmed man or woman killedmurdered by police before the week is out. Maybe we should have a little wager on the method they'll use on the next one and what excuse they'll use to justify it.

On another forum I frequent, stats were posted showing 111 people were killed by cops in March 2015.

I'll bet they will say "I feared for my life! He went for my gun!" In the next one that makes the news.

111 unarmed?

It didn't specify armed or not. In comparison, police in the UK have killed 69 people since 1990.

Willie71 wrote:

Teague wrote:

Willie71 wrote:

Teague wrote:Well I'm sure we'll see another unarmed man or woman killedmurdered by police before the week is out. Maybe we should have a little wager on the method they'll use on the next one and what excuse they'll use to justify it.

On another forum I frequent, stats were posted showing 111 people were killed by cops in March 2015.

I'll bet they will say "I feared for my life! He went for my gun!" In the next one that makes the news.

111 unarmed?

It didn't specify armed or not. In comparison, police in the UK have killed 69 people since 1990.

According to what I read, the comparison is even worse than that. Dailykos ran with this:

American police killed more people in March (111) than the entire UK police have killed (52) since 1900

Bold mine.

I pulled up Calc just for kicks and came up with an average of one person killed by UK police every 29 months.

Jerome Da Gnome wrote:

The_Metatron wrote:

Jerome Da Gnome wrote:How about they are required to be insured, then even if the department lets them get away with it they will lose their insurance and not be able to work.

Or, how about police stop murdering citizens, and face the consequences if they do?

They're already required not to murder people. If they can do that with impunity, do you think they are going to worry much about having an insurance card?

Agreed, but the self-investigating system is not working. Requiring them to be insured places an outside interest in the action. Insurance companies didn't like to pay out, and they will not insure bad risks, therefore bad cops will be removed even if the system protects them.

Why will they be weeded out?

An agency that is prepared to employ murderers isn't going to worry too much about insurance cards.

Why do you think some new requirement is going to solve this problem? They are already required not to murder people.

Teague wrote:Does the confrontation matter? The pertinent parts are he was shot in the back and was unarmed and then the cop planted the gun next to him.

Yeah, the confrontation matters. ANY confrontation with a cop in the USA these days gives them a license to kill you and claim self-defense. You've gotta be incredibly stupid or insane to think otherwise. It's fucked up, but that's the way it is.

Now that the cop car's dash cam has come out, we know more of the context.

http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/walter ... el-n338786

Running away from a car after being pulled over is an incredibly stupid thing to do. You are begging the cop to shoot at you. I wish it wasn't that way, but it is.

I'm not excusing the use of deadly force or the "justice system" of course, I'm just saying that the victim should have just stayed in the goddamn car.

One thing is for sure, I can guarantee that Stefan Molyneaux will come out with a video defending the cop, as he does in every instance like this. Libertarians just cannot stand the police state, unless said police state is killing a black man. Then they love the police state!

Blood wrote:

Teague wrote:Does the confrontation matter? The pertinent parts are he was shot in the back and was unarmed and then the cop planted the gun next to him.

Yeah, the confrontation matters. ANY confrontation with a cop in the USA these days gives them a license to kill you and claim self-defense. You've gotta be incredibly stupid or insane to think otherwise. It's fucked up, but that's the way it is.

Now that the cop car's dash cam has come out, we know more of the context.

http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/walter ... el-n338786

Running away from a car after being pulled over is an incredibly stupid thing to do. You are begging the cop to shoot at you. I wish it wasn't that way, but it is.

I'm not excusing the use of deadly force or the "justice system" of course, I'm just saying that the victim should have just stayed in the goddamn car.

...if you are not used to the brutality, it would make sense to comply. However, if you and your friends/family have been abused for as long as you can remember, with people being beaten and jailed for no reason other than being black, running and taking your chances seems worth the risk. They're damned if they do, and damned if they don't.

If he had stayed with the car, the cop could easily have shot him on another pretext. For example "he moved his hand and I felt threatened". (After demanding to see the guy's drivers license, of course.) "He looked at me threateningly." Etc. Then we'd be criticizing the guy for reaching for his license, looking at the cop, whatever. There is no way the guy could win. Anything he did or did do or not do would be considered self-evidently stupid, after the fact.

Open and shut case - running in a public place while black. The officer clearly had no choice. Plus I bet he was on a second warning with the headlight and they could add a litter charge after he fell to the ground.

Framing every problem in race hides the real problem and promotes racism.

Jerome Da Gnome wrote:Framing every problem in race hides the real problem and promotes racism.

Ignoring systemic racism, and full on racism promotes racism.

Jerome Da Gnome wrote:Framing every problem in race hides the real problem and promotes racism.

im sure the officer didnt notice his colour. Eye roll.

Tell us all about systemic racism from the perspective of a vast majority one race population.

Jerome Da Gnome wrote:Tell us all about systemic racism from the perspective of a vast majority one race population.

Jerome Da Gnome wrote:All of Europe is racist, and lol @ when they try to call the USA racist.

At least try to maintain some internal consistency in the bullshit you post, will you

Jerome Da Gnome wrote:

HughMcB wrote:At this rate we need an "Unarmed Black Man Killed by Police" super thread to deal with all these cases.

There was a recent story of a black cop shooting an unarmed white guy, but that doesn't fit the narrative many of our America-bashers want. They want the racism angle.

Yeah, we'd all be cheering if the roles were reversed.
The race angle is the crux of the story, not the police-thugs hybrids that seem to be in abundance.

Blood wrote:
http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/walter ... el-n338786

Looks like the guy knew he was going to jail, either a stolen car or warrants, that is why he ran. Not that he should have been shot, the cop had his license and a witness in the car you would presume could identify the driver if the license was fraudulent.

Warren Dew wrote:
Actually, more whites get killed by police than blacks. It's just that when a white person gets killed by police, it doesn't make the national news. The problem is not race specific; it's a general issue with police getting away with murder.

Really?

Even when you account for the fact that blacks make up 13% of the population in the US?

babel wrote:
The race angle is the crux of the story,

It is false though, just like with the stand your ground stuff in Florida. It being falsely claimed white people were using the law to get away with shooting black people, the fact was more black people used the law to successfully defend themselves than did whites.

Police shoot more men than women, where is the outrage at the institutional sexism?

Jerome Da Gnome wrote:Police shoot more men than women, where is the outrage at the institutional sexism?

Once again do you have the percentage of violent offenders that are male and female? I'm guessing that is probably why we're not bothered about it.