Jerome Da Gnome wrote:

Blood wrote:
http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/walter ... el-n338786

Looks like the guy knew he was going to jail, either a stolen car or warrants, that is why he ran. Not that he should have been shot, the cop had his license and a witness in the car you would presume could identify the driver if the license was fraudulent.

I read your link, and watched the video. It does not say anywhere that the car was stolen.

Going to jail for owing child support? That seems reasonable to you? Of course he should be paying, but how can he earn the money to pay in jail. In Canada, we garnishee people's wages for owing child support.

Jerome Da Gnome wrote:

HughMcB wrote:At this rate we need an "Unarmed Black Man Killed by Police" super thread to deal with all these cases.

There was a recent story of a black cop shooting an unarmed white guy, but that doesn't fit the narrative many of our America-bashers want. They want the racism angle.

Ah the old Atheism Causes Genocide fallacy. Or perhaps the colloquialism, correlation does not equal causation.

Did the police assume the victim was dangerous BECAUSE he was white?
Did the police approach the victim with preconceived notions of violence BECAUSE he was white?
Did the victim get harsher treatment from the police BECAUSE he was white?
Did the police move swiftly to pull a weapon on the unarmed victim BECAUSE he was white?
Did the police not hesitate to use lethal force BECAUSE he was white?
Did the police shoot him BECAUSE he was white?

So yes, police shoot unarmed white people, they shoot unarmed fat people, and tall people, and people named Frank. But have the police been demonstrably shown to shoot the aforementioned groups BECAUSE of those defining features and preconceptions based thereon? Or are you just trotting out the tired old canard of "won't somebody please think of the white people".

Willie71 wrote:I read your link, and watched the video. It does not say anywhere that the car was stolen.

Going to jail for owing child support? That seems reasonable to you? Of course he should be paying, but how can he earn the money to pay in jail. In Canada, we garnishee people's wages for owing child support.

There was something wrong with the car, he didn't have the registration, couldn't decided if he had just bough the car, or if he was going to buy the car. Child support laws are crazy down here, there was a guy that went to jail for not paying child support for a child he didn't know there was a claim it was his and wasn't his. The mother putting his name unknowingly on the birth certificate trumped DNA testing.

HughMcB wrote:
So yes, police shoot unarmed white people, they shoot unarmed fat people, and tall people, and people named Frank. But have the police been demonstrably shown to shoot the aforementioned groups BECAUSE of those defining features and preconceptions based thereon? Or are you just trotting out the tired old canard of "won't somebody please think of the white people".

Do police disproportionately shoot men BECAUSE of those defining features and preconceptions based thereon?

Jerome Da Gnome wrote:

Willie71 wrote:I read your link, and watched the video. It does not say anywhere that the car was stolen.

Going to jail for owing child support? That seems reasonable to you? Of course he should be paying, but how can he earn the money to pay in jail. In Canada, we garnishee people's wages for owing child support.

There was something wrong with the car, he didn't have the registration, couldn't decided if he had just bough the car, or if he was going to buy the car. Child support laws are crazy down here, there was a guy that went to jail for not paying child support for a child he didn't know there was a claim it was his and wasn't his. The mother putting his name unknowingly on the birth certificate trumped DNA testing.

The third taillight was out. I can't comment on the registration thing. In Canada, registration and insurance are mandatory, so it would be an automatic couple thousand in fines. Maybe he was claiming that he didn't have documents because he didn't want to get arrested for the child support warrant? It'll be interesting to see what facts are released in the next week or two.

Blood wrote:One thing is for sure, I can guarantee that Stefan Molyneaux will come out with a video defending the cop, as he does in every instance like this. Libertarians just cannot stand the police state, unless said police state is killing a black man. Then they love the police state!

Lol it is a huge irony of the many Libertarians. Big Gov is only bad when it's infringing on you, not on people you don't like.

Jerome Da Gnome wrote:

HughMcB wrote:
So yes, police shoot unarmed white people, they shoot unarmed fat people, and tall people, and people named Frank. But have the police been demonstrably shown to shoot the aforementioned groups BECAUSE of those defining features and preconceptions based thereon? Or are you just trotting out the tired old canard of "won't somebody please think of the white people".

Do police disproportionately shoot men BECAUSE of those defining features and preconceptions based thereon?

I would think yes. Now why don't you take that over to the "Another Police Shooting Of An Unarmed Man" thread and knock yourself out with delving into the oppression faced by men.

Jerome Da Gnome wrote:Framing every problem in race hides the real problem and promotes racism.

Every problem, yes. But problems related to race, then no.

Like if I framed "Why do onions make my eyes water? Because of the white man that's why! "
Then I would agree it promotes racial tension and hides the real problem.

But if I framed "Why are there so many black men in jail for non-violent drug related offences? Because there's institutional racism that targets black men for searches and seizures at a far higher rate than whites, despite whites using drugs at higher rates than blacks. And once in court, black men face far harsher sentencing for the same crimes as whites with less chance of parole. "
Then fuck ya, I think that's a race issue.

Now are there any other remedial arguments, vis-a-vis white oppression, that you'd like to trot out?

I don't think you've touched "there's a culture of crime in black communities that just isn't present in white ones" yet.

Or here, another good one "hip hop promotes thugishness".

Come one, you're letting the team down here. You've still got more options.

It's terribly enjoyable, like watching a YEC explain where did all the water go.

Ever notice how people from predominately white countries always seem to view such things in terms of race. Its common for racists to see all things in terms of race.

Somebody is going to have to explain what 'predominantly' means to you (not to mention how to spell it), aren't they.

Jerome Da Gnome wrote:Ever notice how people from predominately white countries always seem to view such things in terms of race. Its common for racists to see all things in terms of race.

Damn, I thought is was racists who denied race issues???? Thanx for correcting me.

Jerome Da Gnome wrote:Ever notice how people from predominately white countries always seem to view such things in terms of race. Its common for racists to see all things in terms of race.

Oh fuck I should have seen that one coming!

The old "Why are you always putting things in terms of race? You must be a racist!" Kudos to you.

You know on second thoughts I think you've actually changed my mind on this whole issue. All along I thought that raising awareness as to the inherent biases in the social, political and judicial structures in damn near every western culture to ostracize and otherwise disenfranchise ethnic minorities was actually helpful. But I didn't realize that the whole time I was being racist. Wow you've really opened up my eyes on this one. Where do I sign up for this post racial utopia you currently live in? And can I bring my dog. She's half Chihuahua half Shih Tzu, but we don't see race.

It doesn't appear the dashcam video changes anything. So the guy ran from police? That's not a capital offense. I applaud the police chief for doing the right thing.

There was a police shooting in my county last night. The suspect was killed, but no word on the race of either party. However, he was wielding a samurai sword and actually cut another deputy bad enough to require surgery. Looks like he may have been mentally ill.

http://www.nwfdailynews.com/local/deput ... k-1.462708

Some here are not seeing the real problem, the police shooting people. Seeing it in terms of race instead of gender is evidence of a racist thought process, otherwise you would consider gender, a far greater proportion of police shootings being against males.

You know to be fair I may be being a little harsh with this, I mean it's not like there's much online you can freely read or find at the top of a google search on these issues.

If You ‘Don’t See Race,’ You’re Not Paying Attention
When You Say You 'Don't See Race', You're Ignoring Racism, Not Helping To Solve It
7 Things Your Colorblind Racist Friend Might Say to You and How to Respond
“I Don’t See Race”: Racial Color Blindness and Eradicating Racism
Having A Color Blind Approach To Racism Is Actually Racist
Voices: Turning a colorblind eye to race promotes racism
Colorblind Ideology Is a Form of Racism

Of course this took a whole one and a half minutes of my time to find and post. So it's a time consuming effort.

Ohh good, a bunch of opinion articles on how viewing people as individuals as opposed to their race is racist.

The liberal mind is a wondrous thing.

The good news is there has been a huge movement over the past couple of generations in which blacks are not any longer believing the lies told to them by liberals. Lies such as, that society is out to get them and they can't succeed, and their falters are due in no part to their individual abilities and choices. The self fulling prophecy propaganda is falling apart. We no longer believe it, go find some other group to feel superior to.

Black people no longer believe the liberal lie that they need whitey to help them.

Pompous liberal white assholes always putting themselves in the position of savior for the inferior black race.

They can deny their racism all they want, twisting their racism is not racism because they define people by race, but the fact remains their words demonstrate exactly what they are.

I see that Jerome is adding "racism denial" to his long list of things he's in denial about.

Exactly how much of reality are you prepared to deny Jerome?

Oh course it's not a race issue. That's why the president changed the sentencing on crack cocaine. It's still cocaine but it's just a coincidence that the sentencing is higher for it and the vast majority of users are non-whites whereas as regular cocaine, predominantly used by whites, got a lesser sentence.

No racism there at all...oh wait, that's how marijuana came about isn't it.

Sendraks wrote:I see that Jerome is adding "racism denial" to his long list of things he's in denial about.

Exactly how much of reality are you prepared to deny Jerome?

Judging by his posts, maybe the question should be, how much of reality do you accept?