MacIver wrote:What's the word on the suspect?

Are they an Islamist?

John P. M. wrote:

MacIver wrote:What's the word on the suspect?

Are they an Islamist?

Actually, it seems quite the opposite. Right now, it seems more and more probable that this is a domestic group, or just one individual.

Newspapers here are now naming the suspect (full name) and showing his picture unedited. Didn't think they could do that, but. What's done is done. The person they are naming is a nationalist, very conservative, with anti-Islamic views.

andyx1205 wrote:To those who first jumped to the conclusion that the terrorists had to be Muslim, you should re-evaluate your views, because terrorists come in all shapes and forms.

MacIver wrote:

andyx1205 wrote:To those who first jumped to the conclusion that the terrorists had to be Muslim, you should re-evaluate your views, because terrorists come in all shapes and forms.

Well obviously.

But assuming this was perpetrated by Islamists wasn't exactly jumping the gun. Just like assuming a bombing in the UK pre-9/11 would of been done by Irish separatists, or in Spain conducted by Basque terrorists.

It's just a matter of statistics. It was more likely that this was done by Muslim extremists. Just because it was a Christian doesn't change that.

andyx1205 wrote:

MacIver wrote:

andyx1205 wrote:To those who first jumped to the conclusion that the terrorists had to be Muslim, you should re-evaluate your views, because terrorists come in all shapes and forms.

Well obviously.

But assuming this was perpetrated by Islamists wasn't exactly jumping the gun. Just like assuming a bombing in the UK pre-9/11 would of been done by Irish separatists, or in Spain conducted by Basque terrorists.

It's just a matter of statistics. It was more likely that this was done by Muslim extremists. Just because it was a Christian doesn't change that.

I don't deny that Muslims have the largest share of terrorists amongst a group in comparison to other groups. However, what you are doing is somewhat racial profiling.

In America and England., blacks are more likely to be criminals than whites, it's a matter of statistics. Try using that argument however.

andyx1205 wrote:

MacIver wrote:

andyx1205 wrote:To those who first jumped to the conclusion that the terrorists had to be Muslim, you should re-evaluate your views, because terrorists come in all shapes and forms.

Well obviously.

But assuming this was perpetrated by Islamists wasn't exactly jumping the gun. Just like assuming a bombing in the UK pre-9/11 would of been done by Irish separatists, or in Spain conducted by Basque terrorists.

It's just a matter of statistics. It was more likely that this was done by Muslim extremists. Just because it was a Christian doesn't change that.

I don't deny that Muslims have the largest share of terrorists amongst a group in comparison to other groups. However, what you are doing is somewhat racial profiling.

In America and England., blacks are more likely to be criminals than whites, it's a matter of statistics. Try using that argument however.

Stublore wrote:Damn misunderstander of christianity.
80 ppl dead on the island, are you sure?
What sort of weapons are available in Norway?
Any update yet on his reasons?

amok wrote:

Stublore wrote:Damn misunderstander of christianity.
80 ppl dead on the island, are you sure?
What sort of weapons are available in Norway?
Any update yet on his reasons?

The most recent report I can find (N.Y. Times) says 87 dead in the two attacks.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/07/23/world/europe/23oslo.html

I'm hoping (good grief, what a thing to say! - I seriously hope people understand what I mean) - that the majority are victims of the bomb blast, rather than the attack on children/young people on the island.

Fuck, fuck, fuck. A few hours ago, I wouldn't have thought it possible for me to be wishing such an awful thing, over another more horrible thing.

rEvolutionist wrote:Man, this is terrible.

What sort of weapon did he use on the Island?

The acting national police chief, Sveinung Sponheim, told reporters in Oslo that the gun was an automatic weapon and that undetonated explosives were found on the island after the attack.