Oldskeptic wrote:Really? 200 ppm is the limit of where the chlorine bath begins to affect the meat. 50 ppm is the guide line set by the FSIS for maximum effectiveness in the baths at 1Co with a 5 ppm residual.

Scot Dutchy wrote:This is about Brexit!

Maybe you guys are bored with it but it is still the title. If you want to talk about bad American food please do it in another thread please.

Tracer Tong wrote:American food is actually pretty good. Try some crab chowder next time you're in Maryland, Scot.

Meanwhile, here's a story about quality Dutch produce:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-40824819

US surgeon may be forced to quit UK because of visa nightmare
Patrick Thies, his British wife and their three children are living apart because of ‘absolutely extraordinary’ Home Office decisions

chairman bill wrote:The Brexiteers might have no choice. It's all going horribly wrong for them.

US trade deal after Brexit could see milk and baby formula with cancer-causing toxins flood UK market

US limits allow up to 20 times more poisonous aflatoxins than the stricter EU regulations

A post-Brexit trade deal with the US could see a massive increase in the amount of cancer-causing toxins in British milk and baby food, The Independent can reveal.

American regulations allow more than 20 times the quantity of harmful aflatoxins in food products, compared to the stricter regime imposed by the European Union.

US standards also allow products made with nuts and cereals to have higher levels of the carcinogens, which cause damage to DNA and make cells more prone to becoming cancerous.

While a direct link to liver cancer is widely accepted, the lower US standards allow American manufacturers to produce food more cheaply.

Critics are now warning that ministers pursuing a quick trade deal with Washington would be putting GDP growth ahead of public health if safety standards are weakened.

It follows a major furore over whether chlorinated chicken would flood the UK market, if a future trade deal allowed products to be sold in the UK but regulated by a more lenient American regime.

US regulations permit 0.5 micrograms per kg of aflatoxins in milk, cereals, nuts and dried fruits, but the EU restricts levels to 0.025 micrograms – twenty times lower.

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zulumoose wrote:Is there an assumption that the U.K. has not got any standards and/or will not establish any standards after Brexit?

I would have thought the easiest thing to do would be to retain EU standards by default as the current standard and adjust as necessary.

Why would anyone assume that those wanting to export to the U.K. would automatically be able to dictate what standards are acceptable to the U.K.?

zulumoose wrote:Is there an assumption that the U.K. has not got any standards and/or will not establish any standards after Brexit?

I would have thought the easiest thing to do would be to retain EU standards by default as the current standard and adjust as necessary.

Why would anyone assume that those wanting to export to the U.K. would automatically be able to dictate what standards are acceptable to the U.K.?

Red tape for British travellers will become more tangled once the UK leaves the EU

Why are you travelling, where are you staying, how are you feeling? Those are some of the many questions that British holidaymakers and business travellers are likely to face when they travel abroad after the UK leaves the EU, if the latest proposals from Brussels take effect.

What will change?

At present, British citizens are entitled to travel anywhere in the EU simply by presenting their passport: a French, Spanish or Italian border guard is permitted only to check that the travel document is valid, and yours. Where you plan to go is none of his or her business.

But once the UK leaves the EU, British citizens will become “third country nationals” with no automatic right of admission. While the Brexit negotiations continue, a European initiative is being developed to strengthen the EU’s external borders: the European Travel Information and Authorisation System (ETIAS). Citizens of non-EU countries who do not currently need visas will need to register their details and their intentions online.

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Scot Dutchy wrote:Well the travelling arrangements post Brexit are looking pretty challenging.

Red tape for British travellers will become more tangled once the UK leaves the EU

Why are you travelling, where are you staying, how are you feeling? Those are some of the many questions that British holidaymakers and business travellers are likely to face when they travel abroad after the UK leaves the EU, if the latest proposals from Brussels take effect.

What will change?

At present, British citizens are entitled to travel anywhere in the EU simply by presenting their passport: a French, Spanish or Italian border guard is permitted only to check that the travel document is valid, and yours. Where you plan to go is none of his or her business.

But once the UK leaves the EU, British citizens will become “third country nationals” with no automatic right of admission. While the Brexit negotiations continue, a European initiative is being developed to strengthen the EU’s external borders: the European Travel Information and Authorisation System (ETIAS). Citizens of non-EU countries who do not currently need visas will need to register their details and their intentions online.

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So popping over to Paris for a weekend becomes more complicated.

Teague wrote:Well done brexiter morons, well done!

Tracer Tong wrote:

Scot Dutchy wrote:Well the travelling arrangements post Brexit are looking pretty challenging.

Red tape for British travellers will become more tangled once the UK leaves the EU

Why are you travelling, where are you staying, how are you feeling? Those are some of the many questions that British holidaymakers and business travellers are likely to face when they travel abroad after the UK leaves the EU, if the latest proposals from Brussels take effect.

What will change?

At present, British citizens are entitled to travel anywhere in the EU simply by presenting their passport: a French, Spanish or Italian border guard is permitted only to check that the travel document is valid, and yours. Where you plan to go is none of his or her business.

But once the UK leaves the EU, British citizens will become “third country nationals” with no automatic right of admission. While the Brexit negotiations continue, a European initiative is being developed to strengthen the EU’s external borders: the European Travel Information and Authorisation System (ETIAS). Citizens of non-EU countries who do not currently need visas will need to register their details and their intentions online.

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So popping over to Paris for a weekend becomes more complicated.

It looks pretty comparable to the system for visiting the US, which isn't complicated at all, speaking as someone who's used it twice. It also looks like it's set to be considerably cheaper. Of course, given the outcome of the negotiations aren't known, the applicability of ETIAS to British citizens is largely speculation at this point.

Teague wrote:Well done brexiter morons, well done!

You're welcome.

Teague wrote:Oh you voted to leave?