Brexit

ronmcd · **#9621** by **ronmcd** » Oct 28, 2019 11:50 am

A concise summary of the state of play:

In summary, then: We have a govt which has broken its central promise; an opposition which does not want an election to make them pay for it; two anti Brexit parties offering to break the deadlock in a way that could enable Brexit; & an EU which cannot do anything about any of it

https://twitter.com/TomMcTague/status/1 ... 4467500033

ronmcd · **#9622** by **ronmcd** » Oct 28, 2019 11:59 am

BlackBart wrote:
ronmcd wrote:What a mess.

At least my bog-roll hoarding can wait.

You've got bog rolls?! Where d'you live again?

If this carries on much longer, here:

(I've no idea where that photo actually comes from, but it's ... disturbing)

Alan B · **#9623** by **Alan B** » Oct 28, 2019 12:05 pm

What a titch. He doesn't look as though he could shit that much...

Alan B · **#9624** by **Alan B** » Oct 28, 2019 12:12 pm

Hmmm. de Piffle wants a Dec. 12th election and the Lib-Dems want a Dec 9th election. Why the 9th - a Monday?

Personally, I would like to see all elections held on a Sunday (and sod the Lords Day Observant Society).

Alan B · **#9625** by **Alan B** » Oct 28, 2019 1:55 pm

BBC

Brexit: European leaders agree extension to 31 January

EU leaders have agreed in principle to extend Brexit until 31 January 2020 - meaning the UK will not leave as planned on Thursday.
EU Council President Donald Tusk said it was a "flextension" - meaning the UK could leave before the deadline if a deal was approved by Parliament.
It comes as MPs prepare to vote on proposals by Boris Johnson for an early general election on 12 December.
The SNP and Lib Dems have also proposed an election on 9 December.
A No 10 source said the government would introduce a bill "almost identical" to the Lib Dem/SNP option on Tuesday if Labour voted their plan down later, and "we will have a pre-Christmas election anyway".
The UK was due to leave the EU on Thursday, but Mr Johnson was required to request an extension after Parliament failed to agree a Brexit deal.
The prime minister had repeatedly said the UK would leave on 31 October deadline with or without a deal, but the law - known as the Benn Act - requires him to accept the EU's extension offer.

Er, now what?

newolder · **#9626** by **newolder** » Oct 28, 2019 2:09 pm

^ Ditchwatch starts on Friday? :dunno:

ronmcd · **#9627** by **ronmcd** » Oct 28, 2019 9:24 pm

Could be in a position tomorrow where Labour end up supporting an election and SNP find a reason not to, despite having paved the way for it ... so the SNP can claim they didn’t facilitate the inevitable Tory majority.

Suspect SNP will ultimately find way not to back what in substance they proposed. Win-win for them - they get the election & inevitably more MPs, but swerve blame for facilitating potential Tory majority. & a nice backdrop for 2021 Holyrood election/ #IndyRef2 after that. #maybe

https://twitter.com/ChrisMusson/status/ ... 3520223232

Ironclad · **#9628** by **Ironclad** » Oct 28, 2019 9:25 pm

LOL our entire parliament is a sinking turd. What a beautiful joke.
TAXI!

Svartalf · **#9629** by **Svartalf** » Oct 28, 2019 9:27 pm

time to go back to sole rule by the monarch, parliament has proven a failure ever since the days of john lackland.

ronmcd · **#9630** by **ronmcd** » Oct 28, 2019 9:31 pm

Oh what a tangled web, etc.

tuco · **#9631** by **tuco** » Oct 29, 2019 2:53 am

As said before, what we observe with regards to the topic at hand can be seen as a failure of democratic institutions. If we accept such a view, several avenues offer to be explored or revisited. For example, objections to referendums - for being unreliable to deliver good outcomes or even examination of the democratic institutions in question in the light of their failure and in the context of European institutions - often criticized for incompetence and bureaucracy while not being able to deliver good outcomes. While I can see how those personally vested are not happy with the current state of affairs to me its still an interesting case study. As said before, one of the most established democracies, and doesn't seem to be able to figure this shit out in an orderly manner.

Hermit · **#9632** by **Hermit** » Oct 29, 2019 4:35 am

Svartalf wrote:time to go back to sole rule by the monarch, parliament has proven a failure ever since the days of john lackland.

Back to theocracy, rule by divine right, the star chamber and the capricious governance of royalty then? I don't think so. King John was not exactly a benevolent ruler, and worse monarchs were to come.

While I dislike Winston Churchill, I do like this quote of his: "Many forms of Government have been tried and will be tried in this world of sin and woe. No one pretends that democracy is perfect or all-wise. Indeed, it has been said that democracy is the worst form of government except all those other forms that have been tried from time to time..." Make that a social democracy, and I'll vote for it.

Fallible · **#9633** by **Fallible** » Oct 29, 2019 5:56 pm

Sole rule by the monarch? Jeez. I’d prefer BoJo the Clown to that.

Svartalf · **#9634** by **Svartalf** » Oct 29, 2019 5:59 pm

Bessie is not a bad lass, and maybe billy boy will be decent too, of course, I commiserate with all british ruled lands if jug ears ever mounts the throne.

aban57 · **#9635** by **aban57** » Oct 29, 2019 6:04 pm

ronmcd wrote:
BlackBart wrote:
ronmcd wrote:What a mess.

At least my bog-roll hoarding can wait.

You've got bog rolls?! Where d'you live again?

If this carries on much longer, here:

(I've no idea where that photo actually comes from, but it's ... disturbing)

Even more so if you believe that the toilets are below all this paper...

Ironclad · **#9636** by **Ironclad** » Oct 29, 2019 8:07 pm

So. An election. Great.

Ironclad · **#9637** by **Ironclad** » Oct 29, 2019 8:08 pm

So. An election. Great.

Svartalf · **#9638** by **Svartalf** » Oct 29, 2019 8:12 pm

have the commons agreed on it? corbyn has bent the knee to bojo the clown?

Ironclad · **#9639** by **Ironclad** » Oct 29, 2019 10:45 pm

He seems confident.

Alan C · **#9640** by **Alan C** » Oct 29, 2019 10:58 pm

Hmm, well it looks like one giant cock-up to me. Is it possible for UK politics to be un-borked as it appears to me as an outsider looking in and having a hard time comprehending it.

Sorry if I'm rehashing already discussed themes but still trying clarify a few things;
Conservative Party; Tory bastards that are, on average, corrupt incompetent muppets that nonetheless have 'rebels' that don't go along with Boris? Any consensus for Leave?
Labour; What I imagine is supposed to be a counterweight to the Tories but aren't universally behind their leader either and are shooting themselves in the feet? Any consensus for Remain?

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