NineOneFour wrote:Anyway, back to the election....

Olaudah Equiano wrote:

NineOneFour wrote:Anyway, back to the election....

Yes, you did not respond to my question: Which parties do you think will be willing to form a majority coalition, and which parties do you think will form the shadow gov't?


pls, don't be shy.

Olaudah Equiano wrote:

NineOneFour wrote:Anyway, back to the election....

Yes, you did not respond to my question: Which parties do you think will be willing to form a majority coalition, and which parties do you think will form the shadow gov't?


pls, don't be shy.

Scot Dutchy wrote:

Olaudah Equiano wrote:

NineOneFour wrote:Anyway, back to the election....

Yes, you did not respond to my question: Which parties do you think will be willing to form a majority coalition, and which parties do you think will form the shadow gov't?


pls, don't be shy.

Ok I will reply but I will firstly brush up your knowledge on the Dutch parliamentry system. We do not have a 'shadow' government that is Britain. There is the opposition made up of the parties not in the coalition but they are not organised.

Here is a link to a very informative site which answers your question:

New Politieke Barometer poll

What do you call it when there is a coordinated alliance to oppose to the agenda of your ruling establishment? Like when the opposition organized to bring about the referendum that kept your PM from ratifying the EU constitutional treaty five years ago? Or when the Socialist Party teamed up with Wilders to oppose the Lisbon Treaty this year? Is that not called a ‘shadow government’? It's ok to have one yunno, they're kind of essential to have one - if you're going to insist on keeping a ‘parliamentary’-type democracy.... but, of course, it is always much better to have a system like ours where there is a separation of powers between the executive and his members in the parliament (that way there is more opportunity for checks and balances and at least a ‘chance’ for some stability.) Which is why you should support and vote for the party of ‘Freedom’. ok.

By the way, are you an EU federalist? or are you a Dutch nationalist? (*one or the other pls, not ‘a bit of both’)

NineOneFour wrote:I think OE might actually want to look up what "shadow government" actually means in real life.

Olaudah Equiano wrote:

NineOneFour wrote:I think OE might actually want to look up what "shadow government" actually means in real life.

No dood, it is not a cabal of Jews and Masons. In the Netherlands, ‘shadow government’ refers to the coalition of parties who will appeal to the people and incite a popular uprising to overthrow any ruling government that hands over any more of their sovereignty over their country to the EU government.

Scot Dutchy wrote:

What do you call it when there is a coordinated alliance to oppose to the agenda of your ruling establishment? Like when the opposition organized to bring about the referendum that kept your PM from ratifying the EU constitutional treaty five years ago? Or when the Socialist Party teamed up with Wilders to oppose the Lisbon Treaty this year? Is that not called a ‘shadow government’? It's ok to have one yunno, they're kind of essential to have one - if you're going to insist on keeping a ‘parliamentary’-type democracy.... but, of course, it is always much better to have a system like ours where there is a separation of powers between the executive and his members in the parliament (that way there is more opportunity for checks and balances and at least a ‘chance’ for some stability.) Which is why you should support and vote for the party of ‘Freedom’. ok.

No that was not a shadow government that was an opposition alliance against one particular item.
In British politics you have Her Majesty's Official Opposition. The leader of the opposition is paid extra for the job.
Here there is no such institution and no need of one.

Scot Dutchy wrote:

By the way, are you an EU federalist? or are you a Dutch nationalist? (*one or the other pls, not ‘a bit of both’)

I am not a Dutch nationalist and I do believe in the EU federal state which I think will happen and not in the to distant future. I know many Americans are opposed to it because it create a very powerful economic block which is what we need to stand up to the Far Eastern economic block.

oh. I didn't know they got paid more than other MP's? ok, so just to clarify for me: what distinguishes the Netherlands parliamentary opposition, from the UK's, is that yours has no ‘pretend’ cabinets?

But we do wonder whether you people have completely lost your minds and are really unclear on what are the basic ingredients necessary to create a functional and cohesive ‘federal-state.’ The EU is comprised of like 25 or 26 different nation-states—most of these speak their own distinct language—and the whole idea of becoming a ‘federal-state’ is that doing so will tear down the borders and bring the people together and the consolidate their governments into one central authority; i.e. the idea is to join forces because the whole would be greater than the sum of the parts—so the ‘parts’ come together, to give rise to an indivisible, single-ethnicity nation-state, like America is becoming. But: we have always spoken the same language!!!

Olaudah Equiano wrote:

NineOneFour wrote:
If there was a reason to report posts for sheer ignorance about a subject, I would have reported it for that too.

NineOneFour wrote:No, I reported it for being off-topic and insulting to an entire ethnic group.

How many posts have you reported that were insulting the Jewish ethic group when people made disparaging comments about the Israelis and their society and culture? How many posts have you reported when people criticize the Arabs for their backwards society and culture? How many posts have you reported when people criticize the people of South Africa for their ‘backwards society and culture’? Why do you only take offense when people criticize a nationality comprised entirely of white people? Is it the Texan in you? Because Americans are not supposed to be hypocrites that way, it is our culture and our custom to criticize the backwardness of peoples of all colors of any nationality. fyi.

Olaudah Equiano wrote:But we do wonder whether you people have completely lost your minds and are really unclear on what are the basic ingredients necessary to create a functional and cohesive ‘federal-state.’ The EU is comprised of like 25 or 26 different nation-states—most of these speak their own distinct language—and the whole idea of becoming a ‘federal-state’ is that doing so will tear down the borders and bring the people together and the consolidate their governments into one central authority; i.e. the idea is to join forces because the whole would be greater than the sum of the parts—so the ‘parts’ come together, to give rise to an indivisible, single-ethnicity nation-state, like America is becoming. But: we have always spoken the same language!!!


so srsly dood..... really, wtf are you people thinking ?

Scot Dutchy wrote:That was interesting.
Jersey Dutch lost me I could read about one word in five. I see your point though.

Saim wrote:

Scot Dutchy wrote:That was interesting.
Jersey Dutch lost me I could read about one word in five. I see your point though.

Yeah, it's a Creole language based older dialects of Dutch. I'm sure there were people who spoke more standard forms of Dutch in New Jersey and New York. Can you understand Zeelandic and West Flemish, which the article credits as the two main influences on Jersey Dutch?

Corneel wrote:

Saim wrote:

Scot Dutchy wrote:That was interesting.
Jersey Dutch lost me I could read about one word in five. I see your point though.

Yeah, it's a Creole language based older dialects of Dutch. I'm sure there were people who spoke more standard forms of Dutch in New Jersey and New York. Can you understand Zeelandic and West Flemish, which the article credits as the two main influences on Jersey Dutch?

West Flemish is sometimes considered as a language apart and even when speaking Standard Dutch West Flemings often have a characteristic accent. I understand a bit of it, but I have family links. I think for Scot Dutchy it would be more difficult. It's usually subtitled, even on Flemish Television (which inspired this sketch).

NineOneFour wrote:New Peil.nl poll:

CDA 26 +1
PvdA 33
SP 10 +1
VVD 28 +1
PVV Wilders 20 -1
Groen Links 11
CU 6 -1
D66 12
(Trots -1...yay)

16-04-10

Party Current Polls My forecast
PvdA 33 28-35 30-35
CDA 41 21-28 30-35
VVD 21 18-22 25-30
D66 3 15-20 12-18
SP 25 8-12 12-18
PVV 9 22-28 10-15
GL 7 10-15 8-12
CU 6 6-7 5-8
PvdD 2 2-3 2-3
SGP 2 2 2
ToN 1 0-1 0