felltoearth wrote:Yes I do. And I am not dismissing that. The point is your drinking isn’t “necessary” but there are many reasons for why people do what they do. Maybe you should focus on yourself rather than shame others for their behavior.

Keep It Real wrote:Yeah, we've been here before fellto, there's this thing called ALCOHOLISM which I'm continually battling with, as you surely must well know by now.

If life is drivin' you to drink
You sittin' round wonderin' what to think
Well I've got some consolation and I'll give it to you, if I might:
I don't worry 'bout a thing 'cause I know nothin's gonna be all right.

Keep It Real wrote:

felltoearth wrote:Yes I do. And I am not dismissing that. The point is your drinking isn’t “necessary” but there are many reasons for why people do what they do. Maybe you should focus on yourself rather than shame others for their behavior.

It's not me, it's the Scandinavians

I'm making a BIG effort to go dry for at least a jolly good while from tomorrow, as it happens, and yes I am a pathetic snivelling rotten irresponsible selfish failure for being a slave to this inebriating indulgence....wouldn't it be some kind of equally distasteful antithesis of hypocrisy if I didn't cast the odd aspersion on globe trotting jollies given the current (NPI) climate?

felltoearth wrote:

Keep It Real wrote:

felltoearth wrote:Yes I do. And I am not dismissing that. The point is your drinking isn’t “necessary” but there are many reasons for why people do what they do. Maybe you should focus on yourself rather than shame others for their behavior.

It's not me, it's the Scandinavians

I'm making a BIG effort to go dry for at least a jolly good while from tomorrow, as it happens, and yes I am a pathetic snivelling rotten irresponsible selfish failure for being a slave to this inebriating indulgence....wouldn't it be some kind of equally distasteful antithesis of hypocrisy if I didn't cast the odd aspersion on globe trotting jollies given the current (NPI) climate?

I have no idea what you are on about at the end there, but my point is shaming people for their behaviour – especially reasonable behaviour given the circumstances – tends to not have the desired effect.

felltoearth wrote:
I have no idea what you are on about at the end there, but my point is shaming people for their behaviour – especially reasonable behaviour given the circumstances – tends to not have the desired effect.

Keep It Real wrote:

felltoearth wrote:
I have no idea what you are on about at the end there, but my point is shaming people for their behaviour – especially reasonable behaviour given the circumstances – tends to not have the desired effect.

You mean like video conference calls? I ain't shaming that, and I doubt Jonny Jurgen Norway is either.

Keep It Real wrote:False dichotomy.

Keep It Real wrote:False dichotomy.

felltoearth wrote:

Keep It Real wrote:

felltoearth wrote:
I have no idea what you are on about at the end there, but my point is shaming people for their behaviour – especially reasonable behaviour given the circumstances – tends to not have the desired effect.

You mean like video conference calls? I ain't shaming that, and I doubt Jonny Jurgen Norway is either.

No, I mean flying because people live and do business long distances away.

Cito di Pense wrote:

Keep It Real wrote:False dichotomy.

I'm sure that one is going to keep someone out of a seat on an airliner.

Ironclad wrote:Thunberg is autistic, I have a feeling anyway. Poker faced but an engaging intellect.

Keep It Real wrote:

felltoearth wrote:

Keep It Real wrote:

felltoearth wrote:
I have no idea what you are on about at the end there, but my point is shaming people for their behaviour – especially reasonable behaviour given the circumstances – tends to not have the desired effect.

You mean like video conference calls? I ain't shaming that, and I doubt Jonny Jurgen Norway is either.

No, I mean flying because people live and do business long distances away.

I get it fellto - you travel for work when you feel you have to, and such flying is furthest from the KIR imaginary guillotine RE air travel, so peace really.

laklak wrote:LIke Whitey Morgan says, if I'm goin' down tonight I'm goin' down drinkin.

The problem with "shaming" is it doesn't work. Neither does blockading city streets. It just pisses off the punters, because when you gotta get to work you gotta get to work. I mean, all those penguins are cute and shit, but I got a mortgage to pay and I've saved up all year for my trip to Spain, so get out of the fucking road.

felltoearth wrote:What is clear from your statement above is how much you personalize the issue. I can tell you it isn’t a tack that is helping your cause.