Mock all you want but we are the only sensible party out there. Yes we screwed up going in with the Tories. But Labours screw-ups were far far worse remember Iraq.......opened the door to a frothing right wing resurge today due to that idiot Blair not thinking long term and destabilising the middle east.

Labour becoming a crazy cult led by a demagogue with simplistic ideas. Purges, crazy followers and conspiracy theories frothing all over social media.
Tories nastier and more dogmatic than ever. Free to do what they want due to lack of opposition (see above).
UKIP loons and fruitcakes. Their single MP 'debating' gravity with an academic oh dear.
Greens a few good ideas but far more bad ones.

I agree the Lib Dem's are less terrible than both Labour and the Tories at the moment, but that is hardly a brilliant campaigning slogan. 'Vote Lib Dem, we are less shit than the others'. It's not exactly 'Take our country back' or 'Make Britain Great Again'

CarlPierce wrote:Mock all you want ...

Thanks for your permission.

ronmcd wrote:Tim Farron hails Tony Blair's 'early work' in pitch for Labour voters
Ahahahahahaha.

edit - that headline is wrong, it's not a pitch for Labour voters, it's a pitch for now Tory voters.

After reading that, I still feel disenfranchised.
He should be leading with his own Lib Dem policies, promoting what the party actually stands for, not riding on the backs of scum like Blair. If the Lib Dem policies are right then he should understand that most people are intelligent enough to make up their own minds without bringing in dubious characters as an act of persuasion.
This bit sounds OK, though:

As well as reiterating his promise to fight for a second referendum on any Brexit deal, Farron’s speech also pledged a fully taxpayer-funded care service, rebranding the NHS as the National Health and Care Service, even if it would mean tax rises. The Lib Dems would also campaign against the reintroduction of grammar schools and would scrap Sats for younger children.

Though I'm not so sure about scrapping the reintroduction of Grammar schools...
I'm in two minds over that.

Alan B wrote:
This bit sounds OK, though:

Aye, but who's actually going to believe it? It would just take Teresa May to waft a few junior ministry treats in the libdems direction, and suddenly the Tories plans wouldn't be SO bad, you know, we can take the edge off them, stop them going to far, get some concess.... FUCK OFF TIM.

CarlPierce wrote:Mock all you want but we are the only sensible party out there.

If the libdems were a Bojack Horseman character...

Seven years ago, and still not a planck length closer to crawling out of the shit.

Halcyon Days.

CarlPierce wrote:Labour becoming a crazy cult led by a demagogue with simplistic ideas ...

WTF are you on about?

chairman bill wrote:

CarlPierce wrote:Labour becoming a crazy cult led by a demagogue with simplistic ideas ...

WTF are you on about?

Left wing members attacking those plotters who dont follow the true way. Corbyn followers convinced there is a plot against them. Leader is revered as a messiah who will take them to the promised land. Exactly like a cult.

If you joined a political party due to one man (which much of Momentum are quite open about) then we are talking a cult not a future government

mrjonno wrote:If you joined a political party due to one man (which much of Momentum are quite open about) then we are talking a cult not a future government

That's a media line. Most of momentum are the same young activists who used to vote labour and actually did the campaigning for ... Ed Miliband.

Remember - the name was invented by Owen Jones. This isn't some entryist marxist group, there just arent the numbers for that. They are actually labour people.

Big mistake for labour - they insulted lied about and smeared their OWN supporters in Scotland. And now they are doing the same again, with momentum. It's staggering.

CarlPierce wrote:

chairman bill wrote:

CarlPierce wrote:Labour becoming a crazy cult led by a demagogue with simplistic ideas ...

WTF are you on about?

Left wing members attacking those plotters who dont follow the true way. Corbyn followers convinced there is a plot against them. Leader is revered as a messiah who will take them to the promised land. Exactly like a cult.

Which is it, a plot or not? You seem confused.
This one you made up.
Some cult.

ronmcd wrote:

mrjonno wrote:If you joined a political party due to one man (which much of Momentum are quite open about) then we are talking a cult not a future government

That's a media line. Most of momentum are the same young activists who used to vote labour and actually did the campaigning for ... Ed Miliband.

Remember - the name was invented by Owen Jones. This isn't some entryist marxist group, there just arent the numbers for that. They are actually labour people.

Big mistake for labour - they insulted lied about and smeared their OWN supporters in Scotland. And now they are doing the same again, with momentum. It's staggering.

Far too complicated

Left wing nationalist party SNP
Left wing unionists party Labour
Right wing unionist party Conservatives

Westminster elections FPTP meaning quite simply there is 1 too many parties in Scotland

Cults dont win elections.

Scot Dutchy wrote:Cults dont win elections.

True but they can gain power

mrjonno wrote:

Scot Dutchy wrote:Cults dont win elections.

True but they can gain power

Seldom and it never lasts as a cult can never deliver the goods.

Scot Dutchy wrote:Cults dont win elections.

Second time today I've misread a word on here.

ronmcd wrote:

Scot Dutchy wrote:Cults dont win elections.

Second time today I've misread a word on here.

Your one-track mind Ron.