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Re: President Trump Watch.

#1021  Postby BWE » Dec 14, 2016 7:01 am

SafeAsMilk wrote:Make no mistake, I think she ran a shit campaign and was not a good choice for the dems. But when you're up against Trump, none of that really matters. Either you've got at least one brain cell and can see what he's saying and doing and realize you need to vote against him, or you're a fucking idiot and you don't. All this stuff about blaming everyone except the voters is just idiotic, this vote should not have been close even if Clinton did totally fuck her campaign. Boo hoo, she called Trump supporters names! If your neighbor sees you playing around with a gun in your back yard and calls you a fucking idiot, it's not the neighbor's fault when you shoot yourself in the foot, and you're still a fucking idiot.

I am not sure that very many people who voted for Trump are sorry that Hillary lost. I too am baffled by her loss but it happened. It seems more productive to me to address this new reality than to blame the people who voted for the person who won.

Although, I do have to admit, it is harder than I would have thought it would be for me to continue extending the values associated with humanity to people who voted for Trump. I am also very sad that Bernie didn't win the nomination. That is a rare opportunity in a world like ours and we failed to take advantage of it.
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Re: President Trump Watch.

#1022  Postby angelo » Dec 14, 2016 10:51 am

Would Bernie or Hilary for that matter, make America grate? :grin:
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Re: President Trump Watch.

#1023  Postby Scot Dutchy » Dec 14, 2016 10:54 am

FFS we are still talking about fucking Sanders, that is history.

Can we talk what Trumpcunt intends to do with Russia and Putin.

Sanctions are going to be removed as soon as possible which will happen almost immediately. Exxon is allowed to open all its location and produce oil for Russia and America. All support will be withdrawn from the rebels in Syria and Assad will be supported by Trump. America pulling out of NATO is a serious threat allowing Putin into the Baltic states?
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Re: President Trump Watch.

#1024  Postby Teague » Dec 14, 2016 11:01 am

SafeAsMilk wrote:There was lots of reasons. Folks like you encouraging people to vote against Hillary was part of it too, in case you've forgotten. How're you enjoying the cabinet appointees? Everything you hoped?


Actually I think I was pointing out that you should vote for Sanders so egg on your face much? After Clinton "won" the nomination via cheating, I was saying that she needed to win but how much of a shit choice it was. At least now though people will mobilise against Trump and no, there were not lots of reasons. Clinton was a shit candidate. She lost because of her. The things that came out shouldn't have damaged her that much because she should have had a 10 point lead. She lost to a orange haired idiot.
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Re: President Trump Watch.

#1025  Postby Teague » Dec 14, 2016 11:02 am

SafeAsMilk wrote:Well we've got big corporate shills going to be directly in charge of the country now, but a news reporter fed Clinton a question once. Definitely dodged a bullet there!


What part of the last 4 decades did you miss? They already were in charge it's just now you can see them.
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Re: President Trump Watch.

#1026  Postby Teague » Dec 14, 2016 11:07 am

SafeAsMilk wrote:Well Sanders did the best he could given the circumstances, unfortunately his followers were just as stupid and selfish as Trump's. What can you do when you're surrounded by fools?


This is laughable. The level of dumbass in the post just reached outer orbit. You do know it was the low information dems that voted Clinton, right?

Oh look at this from back in July....

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the ... 6ef011d3ed
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Re: President Trump Watch.

#1027  Postby Scot Dutchy » Dec 14, 2016 11:10 am

Teague start another thread elsewhere no one is fucking interested in history.
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Re: President Trump Watch.

#1028  Postby Teague » Dec 14, 2016 11:10 am

OlivierK wrote:
SafeAsMilk wrote:Clinton lost because not enough people voted for her. Fact. That includes you, Bernie Bros. You could have taken the mature route that Bernie did, but you didn't.

Do you have data for that?

Edit: not judging, just curious - I've looked for data on how Sanders' primary voters voted for Clinton/Trump/other/stayed home in the general, but I didn't find any.


9% of Democrats moved over to the republicans and voted Trump so what does that tell you?

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016 ... .html?_r=0
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Re: President Trump Watch.

#1029  Postby Teague » Dec 14, 2016 11:37 am

Trump Isn’t Rewarding a Lot of Loyalists with Cabinet Jobs. Here’s Why.

President-elect Donald J. Trump boasted throughout the presidential campaign of his loyalty as a singular quality. “Folks, look, I’m a loyal person,” Mr. Trump said at a CNN town hall in April, explaining why he would not rid his campaign of a staff member who was under fire.

Loyalty appears to be paramount for Mr. Trump, until it isn’t.

Some of Mr. Trump's earliest supporters — among them Rudolph W. Giuliani, Gov. Chris Christie of New Jersey, Sarah Palin, Newt Gingrich and Mike Huckabee — have not fared well in the job sweepstakes. On top of that, they have been left in the December cold while Mitt Romney, a leader of the “never Trump” movement, has been wooed by the president-elect’s advisers for secretary of state.

“It kind of reminds me of the Reagan administration,” said Roger Stone, a long-serving informal adviser to Mr. Trump who met with him at Trump Tower last week. “We used to have a running joke where it was news if somebody who supported Reagan got a job.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/09/us/po ... ation.html
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Re: President Trump Watch.

#1030  Postby Teague » Dec 14, 2016 11:41 am

Sarah Palin: But… Wait… The Good Guys Won’t Win With More Crony Capitalism

I am ecstatic for Carrier employees! Their bosses just decided to keep shop onshore. What a relief for hundreds of workers. Merry Christmas Indiana!

We don’t yet know terms of the public/private deal that was cut to make the company stay, but let’s hope every business is equally incentivized to keep Americans working in America.

Foundational to our exceptional nation’s sacred private property rights, a business must have freedom to locate where it wishes. In a free market, if a business makes a mistake (including a marketing mistake that perhaps Carrier executives made), threatening to move elsewhere claiming efficiency’s sake, then the market’s invisible hand punishes. Thankfully, that same hand rewards, based on good business decisions.

But this time-tested truth assumes we’re operating on a level playing field.

When government steps in arbitrarily with individual subsidies, favoring one business over others, it sets inconsistent, unfair, illogical precedent. Meanwhile, the invisible hand that best orchestrates a free people’s free enterprise system gets amputated. Then, special interests creep in and manipulate markets. Republicans oppose this, remember? Instead, we support competition on a level playing field, remember? Because we know special interest crony capitalism is one big fail.

Politicians picking and choosing recipients of corporate welfare is railed against by fiscal conservatives, for it’s a hallmark of corruption. And socialism. The Obama Administration dealt in it in spades. Recall Solyndra, Stimulus boondoggles, and all their other taxpayer-subsidized anchors on our economy. A $20 trillion debt-ridden country can’t afford this sinfully stupid practice, so vigilantly guard against its continuance, or we’re doomed.

Reaganites learned it is POLICY change that changes economic trajectory. Reagan’s successes were built on establishing a fiscal framework that invigorated our entire economy, revitalized growth and investment while decreasing spending, tax rates, over-reaching regulations, unemployment, and favoritism via individual subsidies. We need Reaganites in the new Administration.

However well meaning, burdensome federal government imposition is never the solution. Never. Not in our homes, not in our schools, not in churches, not in businesses.

Gotta’ have faith the Trump team knows all this. And I’ll be the first to acknowledge concerns over a deal cut by leveraging taxpayer interests to make a manufacturer stay put are unfounded – once terms are made public.

But know that fundamentally, political intrusion using a stick or carrot to bribe or force one individual business to do what politicians insist, versus establishing policy incentivizing our ENTIRE ethical economic engine to roar back to life, isn’t the answer. Cajole only chosen ones on Main St or Wall St and watch lines stretch from Washington to Alaska full of businesses threatening to bail unless taxpayers pony up. The lines strangle competition and really, really, dispiritingly screw with workers’ lives. It’s beyond unacceptable, so let’s anticipate equal incentivizes and positive reform all across the field – to make the economy great again.

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Re: President Trump Watch.

#1031  Postby Teague » Dec 14, 2016 11:51 am

Aah, so Christie prosecuted Jared Krishna's (?) father who is Trump's son in law and sent him to jail. Yeah good luck on getting anything out of Trump and I have no sympathy. Christie was repeatedly embarrassed by Trump during the election and for all that it looks as though he won't get anything for it.
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Re: President Trump Watch.

#1032  Postby WayOfTheDodo » Dec 14, 2016 12:09 pm

Scot Dutchy wrote:
SafeAsMilk wrote:There was lots of reasons. Folks like you encouraging people to vote against Hillary was part of it too, in case you've forgotten. How're you enjoying the cabinet appointees? Everything you hoped?


Entirely agree. If Sanders had got his supporters to fully support her instead of being dickheads things would have looked half decent but now what do we have; The man with the brown arm. Satisfied?


So it's Sanders supporters' fault that Clinton sucks at winning elections? LOL.

When you have to rely on people voting against the other guy rather than for you, you are already losing.
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Re: President Trump Watch.

#1033  Postby WayOfTheDodo » Dec 14, 2016 12:11 pm

willhud9 wrote:I just love seeing those who were adamant against Clinton getting outraged at Trump. What did you fucking expect? Moderate centrist appointments? No. You chose to vote or encouraged people to vote with "their conscious" instead of being fucking realistic and voting because Trump is literally an awful human being and would make a mess out of the world, but nope those email scandals though were so god damn important.


What do you mean? People who didn't vote for Clinton aren't allowed to be outraged about Trump? That is quite possibly the most insane thing I've read all year.

Realistic? Maybe a lot of people "realistically" didn't want to vote against their conscience.
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Re: President Trump Watch.

#1034  Postby WayOfTheDodo » Dec 14, 2016 12:19 pm

SafeAsMilk wrote:
Adrinius wrote:Clinton lost because of… Clinton. "Bernie or Bust" wasn't a threat, it was a warning.

If the "Bernie Bros" now say "Tulsi or Bust Again." Is that a threat or a warning?

Clinton lost because not enough people voted for her. Fact. That includes you, Bernie Bros. You could have taken the mature route that Bernie did, but you didn't. Trump was a warning to all you guys, but you didn't listen. You were too busy trying to warn the world about the Bernie Bros. The result is Trump. Happy?

Yes, because the Clinton camp's attacks on "sexist Bernie Bros" likely helped convince them that they should be voting for her. What a great way to convince someone to support a candidate. Tell them they are sexist pigs who hate women and then expect them to support you.
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Re: President Trump Watch.

#1035  Postby Sendraks » Dec 14, 2016 12:27 pm

And also, the expectation that people should just vote for Clinton because of what Trump might do, is simply the politics of fear and understandably people railed against that.

When the DNC has limited your choices to "someone you can't support" vs "someone you oppose" it doesn't make for the most motivated of voters. Never mind that the "someone you can't support" is busy insulting anyone and everyone outside of their core demographic.
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Re: President Trump Watch.

#1036  Postby PensivePenny » Dec 14, 2016 12:43 pm

Teague wrote:
OlivierK wrote:
SafeAsMilk wrote:Clinton lost because not enough people voted for her. Fact. That includes you, Bernie Bros. You could have taken the mature route that Bernie did, but you didn't.

Do you have data for that?

Edit: not judging, just curious - I've looked for data on how Sanders' primary voters voted for Clinton/Trump/other/stayed home in the general, but I didn't find any.


9% of Democrats moved over to the republicans and voted Trump so what does that tell you?

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016 ... .html?_r=0


You're cherry picking. So, you seem to be citing the "Party affiliation" exit poll. Did you happen to notice that 7% of Republicans jumped ship too? A two point spread is a statistical tie. A person's party affiliation is NOT carved in granite. Affiliating with one party or another is not a commitment to vote straight ticket in the US. In fact, growing up, I remember teachers impressing upon us that straight ticket voting is narrow-minded.
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Re: President Trump Watch.

#1037  Postby PensivePenny » Dec 14, 2016 12:47 pm

Teague wrote:
SafeAsMilk wrote:Well Sanders did the best he could given the circumstances, unfortunately his followers were just as stupid and selfish as Trump's. What can you do when you're surrounded by fools?


This is laughable. The level of dumbass in the post just reached outer orbit. You do know it was the low information dems that voted Clinton, right?

Oh look at this from back in July....

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the ... 6ef011d3ed


You seem to be talking out both sides of your mouth. In another post, you state that 9% of Clinton voters voted for trump. Are those same people voting for trump "high-information" voters? Do you really believe that? Look at the shadows long enough and boogie men appear.
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Re: President Trump Watch.

#1038  Postby PensivePenny » Dec 14, 2016 12:59 pm

WayOfTheDodo wrote:
Scot Dutchy wrote:
SafeAsMilk wrote:There was lots of reasons. Folks like you encouraging people to vote against Hillary was part of it too, in case you've forgotten. How're you enjoying the cabinet appointees? Everything you hoped?


Entirely agree. If Sanders had got his supporters to fully support her instead of being dickheads things would have looked half decent but now what do we have; The man with the brown arm. Satisfied?


So it's Sanders supporters' fault that Clinton sucks at winning elections? LOL.

When you have to rely on people voting against the other guy rather than for you, you are already losing.


I don't think people have a very good understanding of how the two-party system works... Nothing in our laws requires there be only two... it just kind of works out that way here. As a result, we don't practice coalition politics very well. Our politicians will "caucus" with a party, which is similar, I suppose. But, for as long as I've been alive, the two parties have been more opposition to a party rather than "for" a party. For example, I vote democrat... not because I agree with their platform, but because the alternative party platform if flat out bonkers. If I want to ensure that Republican party loses, I have to pool my vote with the party that can do that. There is only one. Voting for any other party is essentially a vote for your opposition.

So, yeah we do tend to vote "against" the other guy in this country.
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Re: President Trump Watch.

#1039  Postby Teague » Dec 14, 2016 1:06 pm

WayOfTheDodo wrote:
willhud9 wrote:I just love seeing those who were adamant against Clinton getting outraged at Trump. What did you fucking expect? Moderate centrist appointments? No. You chose to vote or encouraged people to vote with "their conscious" instead of being fucking realistic and voting because Trump is literally an awful human being and would make a mess out of the world, but nope those email scandals though were so god damn important.


What do you mean? People who didn't vote for Clinton aren't allowed to be outraged about Trump? That is quite possibly the most insane thing I've read all year.

Realistic? Maybe a lot of people "realistically" didn't want to vote against their conscience.


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Re: President Trump Watch.

#1040  Postby PensivePenny » Dec 14, 2016 1:08 pm

WayOfTheDodo wrote:
SafeAsMilk wrote:
Adrinius wrote:Clinton lost because of… Clinton. "Bernie or Bust" wasn't a threat, it was a warning.

If the "Bernie Bros" now say "Tulsi or Bust Again." Is that a threat or a warning?

Clinton lost because not enough people voted for her. Fact. That includes you, Bernie Bros. You could have taken the mature route that Bernie did, but you didn't. Trump was a warning to all you guys, but you didn't listen. You were too busy trying to warn the world about the Bernie Bros. The result is Trump. Happy?

Yes, because the Clinton camp's attacks on "sexist Bernie Bros" likely helped convince them that they should be voting for her. What a great way to convince someone to support a candidate. Tell them they are sexist pigs who hate women and then expect them to support you.


This is a bullshit argument. You are aware that "Berniebros" by definition are a small faction of Bernie supporters who were going around making sexist remarks? Don't conflate Berniebros with Bernie supporters. That would be wrong. Even Bernie Sanders disavowed the "Berniebros." They were a disgrace.

It wasn't the Berniebros who were needed to win the election, it was all the pouting Bernie or Bust supporters who refused to vote for HRC... some of whom voted for Trump.
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