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Re: President Trump Watch.

#1041  Postby Teague » Dec 14, 2016 1:12 pm

Sendraks wrote:And also, the expectation that people should just vote for Clinton because of what Trump might do, is simply the politics of fear and understandably people railed against that.

When the DNC has limited your choices to "someone you can't support" vs "someone you oppose" it doesn't make for the most motivated of voters. Never mind that the "someone you can't support" is busy insulting anyone and everyone outside of their core demographic.


Not only that but pandered to the right, trying to get Republican votes as well as in bed with well know advocates of peace like Henry Kissinger.
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#1042  Postby Corneel » Dec 14, 2016 1:20 pm

President Trump Watch. Please take your discussion about Clinton & Sanders and the elections to one of the multiple other thread that this subject is discussed ad nauseam.
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Re: President Trump Watch.

#1043  Postby Teague » Dec 14, 2016 1:34 pm

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SafeAsMilk wrote:Clinton lost because not enough people voted for her. Fact. That includes you, Bernie Bros. You could have taken the mature route that Bernie did, but you didn't.

Do you have data for that?

Edit: not judging, just curious - I've looked for data on how Sanders' primary voters voted for Clinton/Trump/other/stayed home in the general, but I didn't find any.


9% of Democrats moved over to the republicans and voted Trump so what does that tell you?

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016 ... .html?_r=0


You're cherry picking. So, you seem to be citing the "Party affiliation" exit poll. Did you happen to notice that 7% of Republicans jumped ship too? A two point spread is a statistical tie. A person's party affiliation is NOT carved in granite. Affiliating with one party or another is not a commitment to vote straight ticket in the US. In fact, growing up, I remember teachers impressing upon us that straight ticket voting is narrow-minded.


No, I'm putting up the exit polls that show 9% of Democrats went over to Trump - what's so hard to understand about that? I also believe that most states she lost at less than 2%? Not sure what your point is - the point is SHE failed to win over voters. Do you have the figures for the last 2 elections?
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Re: President Trump Watch.

#1044  Postby Teague » Dec 14, 2016 1:36 pm

PensivePenny wrote:
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SafeAsMilk wrote:Well Sanders did the best he could given the circumstances, unfortunately his followers were just as stupid and selfish as Trump's. What can you do when you're surrounded by fools?


This is laughable. The level of dumbass in the post just reached outer orbit. You do know it was the low information dems that voted Clinton, right?

Oh look at this from back in July....

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the ... 6ef011d3ed


You seem to be talking out both sides of your mouth. In another post, you state that 9% of Clinton voters voted for trump. Are those same people voting for trump "high-information" voters? Do you really believe that? Look at the shadows long enough and boogie men appear.


Could you first explain to me how Trump voters are also Clinton voters at the same time? We're talking Clinton V Sanders here - are you saying out of the two Sander's supporters were the "low information" ones?
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Re: President Trump Watch.

#1045  Postby Teague » Dec 14, 2016 1:37 pm

Education, education by race and income are quite interesting though.
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Re: President Trump Watch.

#1046  Postby Thomas Eshuis » Dec 14, 2016 2:07 pm

Corneel wrote:President Trump Watch. Please take your discussion about Clinton & Sanders and the elections to one of the multiple other thread that this subject is discussed ad nauseam.

:this:
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#1047  Postby Animavore » Dec 14, 2016 2:10 pm

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#1048  Postby Teague » Dec 14, 2016 3:44 pm



Nice vid of getting people to come together.
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Re: President Trump Watch.

#1049  Postby Willie71 » Dec 14, 2016 4:10 pm

SafeAsMilk wrote:
Adrinius wrote:Clinton lost because of… Clinton. "Bernie or Bust" wasn't a threat, it was a warning.

If the "Bernie Bros" now say "Tulsi or Bust Again." Is that a threat or a warning?

Clinton lost because not enough people voted for her. Fact. That includes you, Bernie Bros. You could have taken the mature route that Bernie did, but you didn't. Trump was a warning to all you guys, but you didn't listen. You were too busy trying to warn the world about the Bernie Bros. The result is Trump. Happy?


The fact that people were saying they saw massive flaws in Clinton's electability prior to her getting the nom is lost I see. Now blame the people who gave these warnings because they were ignored? It's absurd. Remember how the Clinton supporters said they didn't need Bernie supporters to win? It's still Bernie supporter's fault? Maybe, just maybe, Clinton and her supporters shouldn't have insulted the Bernie supporters repeatedly. Surely there is some responsibility there? No?
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#1050  Postby Scot Dutchy » Dec 14, 2016 7:11 pm

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#1051  Postby Scot Dutchy » Dec 14, 2016 7:14 pm

Donald Trump must give up stake in Washington DC hotel before inauguration, say authorities

The Trump Organisation negotiated a 60-year lease with the General Services Administration for the hotel in the federally-owned Old Post Office

Donald Trump must give up his stake in the Washington-based Trump International Hotel before Inauguration Day, or face breach in government contract.

Mr Trump’s election has stoked concerns of potential conflicts of interest as he intends to hold a stake in much of his company. He had said he planned to hold a press conference – the first since July – to outline how he intends to separate himself from the Trump Organisation, but that meeting was postponed. Mr Trump tweeted that he pushed back the announcement to “focus full time on the presidency”.

But the Trump hotel’s Pennsylvania Avenue location could mean trouble for the President-elect if he fails to fully divest himself from the business before taking his seat in the Oval Office in January.
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One particular point of concern for the four Democrats who wrote the letter was Ivanka Trump’s role in Trump Organisation, as well as the transition team. According to the letter, Ms Trump was the primary point of contact in lease negotiations with the GSA, and her role on the transition team further complicates how the agency will proceed with handling the potential breach of contract.

“In other words, Ms Trump is all of the following – the President-elect’s daughter, a top presidential transition team official, a lessee under the contract GSA oversees, and the primary contact for GSA on the lease,” the letter said.

“The conflicts of interest are obvious.”
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Re: President Trump Watch.

#1052  Postby Corneel » Dec 14, 2016 7:34 pm

Good OpEd piece from Jamelle Bouie on Slate:
Trump’s Ungovernment

To run the government, he has picked men and women who disdain the missions of their assigned agencies, oppose public goods, or conflate their own interests with that of the public. It’s less a team for governing the country than a mechanism for dismantling its key institutions. And as a cadre of tycoons, billionaires, and generals, Trump’s executive branch is a rebuke to the idea that government needs expertise in governing.


It’s the antimatter Cabinet—an ungovernment brought forth by reactionary hostility to the idea of the public, a throwback to the industrial oligarchy that eventually brought American democracy to its knees. And on a superficial level, set against the rhetoric of Trump’s campaign, these appointments look like something beyond an expression of hostility to government: They look like a betrayal. This is the populism Trump promised?


But Trump won’t suffer, and here’s why. When Trump railed against “elites,” he wasn’t decrying the rich and powerful. His appeal was built on the fact of his wealth and power, on his promise to bring that wealth and power to bear on Washington and deliver benefits to the deserving. For Trump, “elites” are defined by the people with whom they sympathize. And in his narrative, they sympathize with the racial adversaries of his supporters: Hispanic immigrants, Muslim Americans, and black protesters. “Elites,” in Trump’s telling, are leaders who will not strike back against America’s enemies. This isn’t separate from his appeal to jobs and revitalization; it’s the other side of the coin. With echoes of George Wallace and Richard Nixon, Trump tied economic pain to a racialized picture of “elites.” Those elites, with their sympathy for the “other,” are the reason you are hurting; they are the reason America isn’t great. To elect Trump was to reclaim the country from those elites.
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Re: President Trump Watch.

#1053  Postby Willie71 » Dec 14, 2016 7:37 pm

Well, the one positive here is the donors get the actual positions, not some puppet pretending to be for the people while serving the donors. It's ironically transparent.
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#1054  Postby Rumraket » Dec 14, 2016 8:32 pm

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Re: President Trump Watch.

#1055  Postby OlivierK » Dec 14, 2016 8:53 pm

Teague wrote:
OlivierK wrote:
SafeAsMilk wrote:Clinton lost because not enough people voted for her. Fact. That includes you, Bernie Bros. You could have taken the mature route that Bernie did, but you didn't.

Do you have data for that?

Edit: not judging, just curious - I've looked for data on how Sanders' primary voters voted for Clinton/Trump/other/stayed home in the general, but I didn't find any.


9% of Democrats moved over to the republicans and voted Trump so what does that tell you?

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016 ... .html?_r=0

That many people don't bother updating their registration when their voting intention changes? That many people swing their vote between parties regularly, but choose to register as Democrats because they might occasionally feel like voting in a primary? These numbers are pretty much the same in all elections - 5 to 10% of registered voters for each party vote for the other party. That's just a normal base condition.

I'm specifically interested in data what breaks that down by who people voted for in the primaries (in which most Democratic voters in the general didn't vote at all).
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#1056  Postby OlivierK » Dec 14, 2016 9:03 pm

Teague wrote:No, I'm putting up the exit polls that show 9% of Democrats went over to Trump - what's so hard to understand about that? I also believe that most states she lost at less than 2%? Not sure what your point is - the point is SHE failed to win over voters. Do you have the figures for the last 2 elections?

in 2016, the numbers of people voting against their affiliation were 9% and 7%.
In 2012, 8% and 7%.
NYT didn't publish that breakdown in 2008.
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Re: President Trump Watch.

#1057  Postby Corneel » Dec 14, 2016 9:17 pm

Willie71 wrote:Well, the one positive here is the donors get the actual positions, not some puppet pretending to be for the people while serving the donors. It's ironically transparent.

Donors like Senator Jeff Sessions, Governor Rick Perry, Oklahoma AG Scott Pruitt, Representative Tom Price, Generals Michael Flynn and James Mattis, former RNC Chairman Reince Priebus or "political operative" Stephen Miller?
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Re: President Trump Watch.

#1058  Postby Willie71 » Dec 14, 2016 9:25 pm

Corneel wrote:
Willie71 wrote:Well, the one positive here is the donors get the actual positions, not some puppet pretending to be for the people while serving the donors. It's ironically transparent.

Donors like Senator Jeff Sessions, Governor Rick Perry, Oklahoma AG Scott Pruitt, Representative Tom Price, Generals Michael Flynn and James Mattis, former RNC Chairman Reince Priebus or "political operative" Stephen Miller?


Not every one of his appontees is a donor, of course, but there are a number of them.
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#1059  Postby Animavore » Dec 14, 2016 9:42 pm

So first of all Trump can hardly find a celeb or two to play at his inauguration. Now he can't even find a high school marching band in the DC area.

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Re: President Trump Watch.

#1060  Postby Willie71 » Dec 14, 2016 10:16 pm

Six donors are currently named for cabinet positions.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/pos ... 308272f03c

Isn't a Exxon Mobil exec to head the EPA as well? Or has that changed?
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