PensivePenny wrote:But, going after the author of the Serena cartoon while, I'm guessing you'd likely defend the Charlie Hebdo artist who was equally racist in his depiction of Muhammad, is just hypocritical.

Cito di Pense wrote:

PensivePenny wrote:But, going after the author of the Serena cartoon while, I'm guessing you'd likely defend the Charlie Hebdo artist who was equally racist in his depiction of Muhammad, is just hypocritical.

I'm wouldn't be too sure about that assessment if I were you. I think it's a bit unfair to compare the vitriol directed at the Charlie Hebdo artist with the vitriol directed at Knight. Both caricatures are aimed at audiences presumed to know who the targets of the cartoons are.

zulumoose wrote:Much has been said about how the caricature doesn't look like her, and it is apparently wrong to exaggerate the mouth because of some trope nonsense, but exaggerating the mouth, nose and ears are probably the most common tools of caricature .It certainly isn't racist all the time, as per the political examples below which are typical of the way those well known personalities are depicted, even by those who are 100% in support of them.

Head shape, and facial features, though exaggerated for Mandela and Obama are actually proportional and recognizable.

The caricature in no way matches her face, head shape. He made her into a shrunken head with a square jaw. Dismal effort.

willhud9 wrote:

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GrahamH wrote:

Mike_L wrote:
I get what they're saying. I don't agree with their interpretation of the cartoonist's intent.

It's not all about his intent. It's about his bias, which he himself may not be aware of.

Subliminal racism... thought crime... political correctness... hysteria and a form of the chilling effect.
Mark Knight will have to tread more carefully now, lest he inadvertently assail some other sensibilities.

Anyone who has followed Serena William's career knows what negative vitriol is spewed about her. That she a) looks like a man b) looks like an ape (non-human) c) that she is too butch d) that she always looks angry. Whenever she would win a Tennis tournament comments from all the closet racists and sexists would come out of the mill and bash her. It is nothing new. It is not an unknown element.

To combine those things into a caricature about her is acknowledging and empowering those racists and sexists. Whether Mark Knight intended it to or not, his cartoon validates the wrong opinions while failing to demonstrate the point of Williams having a "tantrum" on court.

When people, especially women and people of color, get rightfully rustled by the cartoon and the response is: "its not a big deal" you are ignoring the decades old plight that those two minority groups have struggled through to gain cultural validation. It is essentially a lack of empathy and in invalidation of those people.

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PensivePenny wrote:I just wonder what would satisfy you SaM? If Serena's lips were just a little narrower? How much? And what might satisfy you wouldn't satisfy someone else. The idea that the Serena cartoon is equivalent to racist Tar Baby cartoons is laughable. Have we not had enough false equivalency in popular political culture, we now have to take any criticism of black people or women as racism or sexism? I don't think anyone here is denying the existence of racism and/or sexism, nor do I think anyone is denying that there are biases that we all have about sex and race... Further, I'd be surprised if anyone here would disagree that those should be rooted out. But, going after the author of the Serena cartoon while, I'm guessing you'd likely defend the Charlie Hebdo artist who was equally racist in his depiction of Muhammad, is just hypocritical.

I challenge any artist here to draw a cartoon of Serena's tantrum as strongly and do it in a way that people don't still think it's racist and feeds into stereotypes.

Your strawman is the problem. No one is saying that it is equivalent to Tar baby cartoons.

The cartoon by Mark Knight made international headlines as people – particularly in the US – argued that Knight had used the style of racist “Sambo” cartoons used to dehumanise black Americans in the early 20th century.

Cito di Pense wrote:

PensivePenny wrote:But, going after the author of the Serena cartoon while, I'm guessing you'd likely defend the Charlie Hebdo artist who was equally racist in his depiction of Muhammad, is just hypocritical.

I'm wouldn't be too sure about that assessment if I were you. I think it's a bit unfair to compare the vitriol directed at the Charlie Hebdo artist with the vitriol directed at Knight's caricature. Both cartoons are aimed at audiences who can be presumed to know who the targets of the cartoons are.

Cito di Pense wrote:There are plenty of sports where race and racism (while present every minute, everywhere) are not so much in everyone's face as they are for example in golf and tennis. The Williams sisters achieved a kind of domination of women's professional tennis that simply obliterated the dreams of anyone who didn't like the color-line busted. I have no idea why Serena cracked at the moment she did; some people suspect steroid use. She could walk away from tennis forever and have nothing to apologize for. Tiger Woods probably cracked under the pressure, too. Golf and tennis, man. Evil sports. Fun and fascinating, but evil games presumably the dominion of the wealthy in former times.

Cito di Pense wrote:...
Golf and tennis, man. Evil sports.
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zulumoose wrote:

Head shape, and facial features, though exaggerated for Mandela and Obama are actually proportional and recognizable.

The caricature in no way matches her face, head shape. He made her into a shrunken head with a square jaw. Dismal effort.

The Serena cartoon is absolutely a dismal effort, granted, but the mouth exaggeration is the most common objection by far,yet it is no less exaggerated in the Mandela and Obama cartoons, without the racist accusations.

Cito di Pense wrote:

PensivePenny wrote:But, going after the author of the Serena cartoon while, I'm guessing you'd likely defend the Charlie Hebdo artist who was equally racist in his depiction of Muhammad, is just hypocritical.

I'm wouldn't be too sure about that assessment if I were you. I think it's a bit unfair to compare the vitriol directed at the Charlie Hebdo artist with the vitriol directed at Knight's caricature. Both cartoons are aimed at audiences who can be presumed to know who the targets of the cartoons are.

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PensivePenny wrote:

Cito di Pense wrote:There are plenty of sports where race and racism (while present every minute, everywhere) are not so much in everyone's face as they are for example in golf and tennis. The Williams sisters achieved a kind of domination of women's professional tennis that simply obliterated the dreams of anyone who didn't like the color-line busted. I have no idea why Serena cracked at the moment she did; some people suspect steroid use. She could walk away from tennis forever and have nothing to apologize for. Tiger Woods probably cracked under the pressure, too. Golf and tennis, man. Evil sports. Fun and fascinating, but evil games presumably the dominion of the wealthy in former times.

She just had a baby... postpartum is a very reasonable concern.