Snap UK General Election

ronmcd · **#421** by **ronmcd** » May 11, 2017 11:23 pm

BTW, that's a South Lanarkshire ward. Not Edinburgh ...

ronmcd · **#422** by **ronmcd** » May 11, 2017 11:26 pm

This was the guy that seemed to be getting multiple chances to (badly, to be honest) make his views known. Weird.

Tracer Tong · **#423** by **Tracer Tong** » May 12, 2017 2:04 am

It's pretty common for QT to go back to a questioner.

ronmcd · **#424** by **ronmcd** » May 12, 2017 7:07 am

DD: "You sir, the Tory councillor...no the other one. Yes, let's have a 2nd comment from you.."

https://twitter.com/amanda_c3112/status ... 4015900672

chairman bill · **#425** by **chairman bill** » May 12, 2017 8:35 am

British voters overwhelmingly back Labour’s manifesto policies, poll finds
Income tax increases and improved workers rights are among proposals strongly supported by the public, survey shows

Voters overwhelmingly back policies set out in Labour’s leaked manifesto, including nationalising the railways, building more houses and raising taxes on higher earners, according to a poll.

The ComRes survey shows around half of people support state ownership of the train network (52 per cent), energy market (49 per cent) and Royal Mail (50 per cent).

Roughly a quarter of people (22, 24 and 25 per cent respectively) said they opposed the policies, outlined in the party’s draft document, which was signed off by Labour executives at a meeting on Thursday. (cont.)

Scot Dutchy · **#426** by **Scot Dutchy** » May 12, 2017 9:13 am

How about Brexit? Has that disappeared all of a sudden?

Matt_B · **#427** by **Matt_B** » May 12, 2017 10:04 am

Scot Dutchy wrote:How about Brexit? Has that disappeared all of a sudden?

Labour's position on Brexit doesn't actually seem that unpopular:

The Independent wrote:Voters are split on whether MPs should be given a final vote on the terms of the Brexit deal, a policy that also found its way into the Labour manifesto.

Thirty-six per cent supported Labour’s call for Parliament to have a say at the end of the negotiating period, while 35 per cent are opposed, the survey found.

What seems to be losing it for the party is Corbyn himself, or at least the public perceptions of him:

The Independent wrote:Voters were less flattering about the Labour leader, the survey found, with 56 per cent saying Mr Corbyn would be a “disaster” as prime minister and 30 per cent saying he should be given “a fair chance”.

You can read the full article here:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/po ... 31536.html

And they're sourcing the poll from here:

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/p ... s-10404216

mrjonno · **#428** by **mrjonno** » May 12, 2017 10:50 am

The people want leaders, where their leaders taken them is sadly secondary but that's reality

Scot Dutchy · **#429** by **Scot Dutchy** » May 12, 2017 1:19 pm

How can you make a costed manifesto with Brexit around the corner. Any financial calculations are worthless that is part of the reason why May called a snap election; to cause confusion.

chairman bill · **#430** by **chairman bill** » May 12, 2017 1:56 pm

Would you like to explain your assertions?

Scot Dutchy · **#431** by **Scot Dutchy** » May 12, 2017 2:00 pm

What is Labour basing its costings on? The present economy or what is left after Brexit which will not be much or is it simply whistling in the dark?

Beatsong · **#432** by **Beatsong** » May 12, 2017 11:15 pm

Scot Dutchy wrote:What is Labour basing its costings on? The present economy or what is left after Brexit which will not be much or is it simply whistling in the dark?

whereas in all other election campaigns, the future of the economy is a completely known quantity that you can predict with absolute certainty.

james1v · **#433** by **james1v** » May 13, 2017 1:33 am

ronmcd wrote:Question Time tonight, I guess will be full on attack on labour over their crazy manifesto (the one probably supported by many voters, if that was remotely important to the media) but it will also be about SNPBAD, as it comes from Edinburgh.

Interesting fact - the Moneyweek editor is on, Merryn Somerset Webb. She *always* seems to be on when it's from Scotland. And she is never identified as anything other than the Moneyweek editor.

So why is she on, and just when the show is from Scotland?

Because she is a director of Scotland In Union, the campaign group against Scottish independence. I will be fascinated to see if that is actually mentioned this time.

And if it's not mentioned, I hope Joanna Cherry MP points it out ...

Total and utter bollox. You cannot, as a producer of a TV programmes in the UK, have a National Socialist view on every program you produce...There are other opinions, no matter what your "dear leaders" opinion

repeated word is.

james1v · **#434** by **james1v** » May 13, 2017 1:45 am

ronmcd wrote:
DD: "You sir, the Tory councillor...no the other one. Yes, let's have a 2nd comment from you.."

https://twitter.com/amanda_c3112/status ... 4015900672

Monty Python like spam. Have you ever, ever criticised "the party", their history, or their mistakes, ever? No, your as indoctrinated, as much as the "Jihadi". One trick pony, only in politics, rather than religion...Other...Just like the religionists philosophy. I would be ashamed to support the lying, right wing complete and utter Nazi philosophy your2 dear leade2r and the "collective" think. Fucking ashamed! Is it still the SNP policy not to fight against "Any National Socialist Despot?"

It was one of their founding principles, If you could call that shit a principle!

chairman bill · **#435** by **chairman bill** » May 13, 2017 5:41 am

Scot Dutchy wrote:What is Labour basing its costings on? The present economy or what is left after Brexit which will not be much or is it simply whistling in the dark?

Well, some things are easy to cost. Take for example the renationalisation of the railways; currently, we sell a franchise to a company (often a Dutch, German or French state-owned company), which then runs a piss-poor service that requires more government subsidy than the old British Rail ever did, and which then takes profits back to France, Germany etc. The previously state-run East Coast Line, not only had the highest customer satisfaction figures, and the best reliability figures, it also took no subsidy & returned a profit to the exchequer. So the cost should be considerably less than currently, and quite probably a net contributor of money to the exchequer, whilst also giving a vastly improved service.

As for cutting the private sector out of the NHS, again, there's no cost to the state, because the same services are being run, but without private companies top-slicing the money available from the contract to pay shareholders. Pretty much the same applies when bringing education back under democratic control.

Stopping the idiocy of benefit cuts, DWP work capability assessments, Universal Credit and the like, will bring cost savings; so far the cost of implementing these things is several times greater than the amounts saved.

So these things are cost-neutral or will return money to the exchequer. It doesn't matter what happens to the economy. But on top of that, additional costs are grounded in tax rises for the rich & corporations, and those costs have been approved by the IFS as returning adequate funds to support the intended spending. Then there's borrowing for capital spending - with interst rates at an historic low, now is the time to invest in infrastructure that will aid the economy overall, and provice a significant boost to the economy. Portugal went from basket-case to economic success having done precisely that. The economics are sound, and again the IFS have checked the figures. So I'd say it all sounds pretty affordable, whatever comes of Brexit.

OlivierK · **#436** by **OlivierK** » May 13, 2017 5:47 am

Jesus, bill, can't you give facts a rest for a while, and just get on with being judgemental and blindly outraged?

Scot Dutchy · **#437** by **Scot Dutchy** » May 13, 2017 7:45 am

Beatsong wrote:
Scot Dutchy wrote:What is Labour basing its costings on? The present economy or what is left after Brexit which will not be much or is it simply whistling in the dark?

whereas in all other election campaigns, the future of the economy is a completely known quantity that you can predict with absolute certainty.

More or less. It is not so unpredictable as what the UK economy will be after Brexit. There is no comparison. So who is kidding who.

ronmcd · **#438** by **ronmcd** » May 13, 2017 7:52 am

james1v wrote:
ronmcd wrote:Question Time tonight, I guess will be full on attack on labour over their crazy manifesto (the one probably supported by many voters, if that was remotely important to the media) but it will also be about SNPBAD, as it comes from Edinburgh.

Interesting fact - the Moneyweek editor is on, Merryn Somerset Webb. She *always* seems to be on when it's from Scotland. And she is never identified as anything other than the Moneyweek editor.

So why is she on, and just when the show is from Scotland?

Because she is a director of Scotland In Union, the campaign group against Scottish independence. I will be fascinated to see if that is actually mentioned this time.

And if it's not mentioned, I hope Joanna Cherry MP points it out ...

Total and utter bollox. You cannot, as a producer of a TV programmes in the UK, have a National Socialist view on every program you produce...There are other opinions, no matter what your "dear leaders" opinion

repeated word is.

Brilliant, really, national socialists and all. Has no relevance to the point of my post. But well done you.

Scot Dutchy · **#439** by **Scot Dutchy** » May 13, 2017 7:54 am

chairman bill wrote: Portugal went from basket-case to economic success having done precisely that.

Portugal was not trying to leave the EU and it had a strong and stable currency. All those figures are useless if the economy is collapsing and your currency is going down the shitter.

ronmcd · **#440** by **ronmcd** » May 13, 2017 7:55 am

james1v wrote:
ronmcd wrote:
DD: "You sir, the Tory councillor...no the other one. Yes, let's have a 2nd comment from you.."

https://twitter.com/amanda_c3112/status ... 4015900672

Monty Python like spam. Have you ever, ever criticised "the party", their history, or their mistakes, ever? No, your as indoctrinated, as much as the "Jihadi". One trick pony, only in politics, rather than religion...Other...Just like the religionists philosophy. I would be ashamed to support the lying, right wing complete and utter Nazi philosophy your2 dear leade2r and the "collective" think. Fucking ashamed! Is it still the SNP policy not to fight against "Any National Socialist Despot?"

It was one of their founding principles, If you could call that shit a principle!

Yikes.

Let's summarise your last two posts, shall we?

"national socialists"
"jihadi"
"religionists"
"Nazi"
and some shite smear about not opposing nazis, again.

I call fuckhead bingo!

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