mcgruff wrote:

ronmcd wrote:I suspect it's not entirely serious.

Hard to fathom (but heartening to behold) how they can be so bad.

Byron wrote:

Scot Dutchy wrote:Byron I know as the EU knows who voted for what. You have this thing about EFTA and the EEA. They are not floating. Those are exceptional countries with quite unique characteristics. Very few countries could live in those elevated positions. They want stronger ties in the EU. Do you understand how tight some want it? Even Greece wants it. Your EEA idea does not hold.

It's not my idea: plenty European leaders and, as mentioned, the EU's own negotiating guidelines have expressed a preference for the UK to remain within the EEA. The Fantasy Brexit May's currently seeking, whereby the UK gets to junk one of the Four Freedoms and cherrypick all the goodies from the EEA, isn't on offer: but I've yet to see any evidence that Brussels would close off the EEA even if the Four Freedoms are accepted. D'you have any?

Scot Dutchy wrote:Just what has been said by the EU negotiators. The EEA question could never be accepted by the Brexiteers. It ties them into everything they dont want. Paying for the privilege of the single market and accepting EU rules without being any part of their making. It is basically not the EU that is putting obstacles in the way but the UK. They only want their Fantasy Brexit which is no more than a pipe dream which brings back to the elections. May knows the pipe dream is just that and where else will she go?

Byron wrote:The majority's had decades of news on Europe being filtered through the pissants of the yellow press, Scot. Even if they hadn't, why should the minority (a rather substantial minority, larger than the populations of several small EU states combined) suffer for the actions of others?

Accepting the majority view until it changes is one thing. Deliberately going out to punish the entire UK population -- many of whom have dual-citizenship, or are EU citizens, so it's also punishing your own people -- is gangster tactics. If Brussels is truly going to resort to them, why should any country wish to remain a member?

Byron wrote:

Scot Dutchy wrote:Just what has been said by the EU negotiators. The EEA question could never be accepted by the Brexiteers. It ties them into everything they dont want. Paying for the privilege of the single market and accepting EU rules without being any part of their making. It is basically not the EU that is putting obstacles in the way but the UK. They only want their Fantasy Brexit which is no more than a pipe dream which brings back to the elections. May knows the pipe dream is just that and where else will she go?

Wait, you just said the EEA wasn't on offer: now it's the current British government refusing to accept its obligations. Those are two completely different positions!

Byron wrote:I'm not referring to the red lines as gangster tactics: I'm referring to the EU refusing to allow the UK to remain in the EEA even if it accepts the Four Freedoms as gangster tactics. I don't believe that Brussels would do this, and from the sound of it, you don't either.

Theresa May protest song 'liar liar' hits No 1 on iTunes

Captain Ska's song, which calls the PM a "liar", has been banned by radio stations despite reaching No 1 on iTunes.

A song describing Prime Minister Theresa May as a "liar" and calling the country "broken" has become the most downloaded on iTunes.

But although Captain Ska's anti-Tory song Liar Liar is proving popular among downloads, it is unlikely to be playing on a radio near you any time soon.

Liar Liar is set be the highest new entry on the UK Official Singles Chart this week, but impartiality rules during the election period mean it is unlikely to get radio air time, regardless of chart position.

The Big Top 40 show on Heart and Capital FM has banned the song from being played.

The song samples clips of Tory speeches and has the chorus "She's a liar liar, you can't trust her, no, no, no".

Another lyric talks about the NHS, saying: "When there's nurses going hungry and schools in decline, I don't recognise this broken country of mine."

Tonight: we reveal YouGov's first seat by seat projection of the campaign - suggests Tories fall 16 seats short of overall majority

ronmcd wrote:The only bad thing about that prediction? What's the betting the libs would prop up a minority Tory party rather than help form a progressive majority.

Oh, that's right, they'd need to be progressive for that.

Byron wrote:They may prop up the Tories, but won't be voting for any Brexit madness. Well, unless Indyref2's involved.

Scot Dutchy wrote:I dont think the LibDems will commit hara-kiri. After almost disappearing after the last coalition they are not that politically naive.