chango369 wrote:

Spearthrower wrote:
Agent Smith's appeal to nature combined with special pleading!

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Oh yeah, I forgot to address this specific item. That image of Mr. Creosote and his wife caused me to come unhinged and therefore logic was totally out of the question.

Rachel Bronwyn wrote:If you're entertaining the possibility people who shoot lions are in need of the dead animal in any respect, remember they dropped at least $8,000 (you can kill the females for pretty cheap - males are much more costly, starting between $15,000 and $25,000 depending on size) just for the opportunity to kill the animal. The people who do this are wealthy.

willhud9 wrote:What is gained by hunting and killing a lion? Do you need the lion meat? Probably not. Do you need the pelt? Probably not. Are the lions man-eaters than need to be culled to protect people? Definitely not. Do you just want to look "cool" and "rugged" by posing with an easy killed lion? Probably.

Killing a prey species makes sense. If they hunted antelopes like gazelle or wildebeests that'd be one thing but there is no real justification for killing a lion. Just rich people paying money to have a moment of "glory."

Strontium Dog wrote:

willhud9 wrote:What is gained by hunting and killing a lion? Do you need the lion meat? Probably not. Do you need the pelt? Probably not. Are the lions man-eaters than need to be culled to protect people? Definitely not. Do you just want to look "cool" and "rugged" by posing with an easy killed lion? Probably.

Killing a prey species makes sense. If they hunted antelopes like gazelle or wildebeests that'd be one thing but there is no real justification for killing a lion. Just rich people paying money to have a moment of "glory."

What does "need" have to with the act of killing? People kill animals because they want to use the carcass. "Need" doesn't come into it. The hunter who shot this lion no more needs a photograph of himself with the corpse than you need to eat a cheeseburger for lunch.

Start thinking in terms of want, not need, because there is very little need for any human being in any modern society to kill an animal.

Strontium Dog wrote:

willhud9 wrote:What is gained by hunting and killing a lion? Do you need the lion meat? Probably not. Do you need the pelt? Probably not. Are the lions man-eaters than need to be culled to protect people? Definitely not. Do you just want to look "cool" and "rugged" by posing with an easy killed lion? Probably.

Killing a prey species makes sense. If they hunted antelopes like gazelle or wildebeests that'd be one thing but there is no real justification for killing a lion. Just rich people paying money to have a moment of "glory."

What does "need" have to with the act of killing? People kill animals because they want to use the carcass. "Need" doesn't come into it. The hunter who shot this lion no more needs a photograph of himself with the corpse than you need to eat a cheeseburger for lunch.

Start thinking in terms of want, not need, because there is very little need for any human being in any modern society to kill an animal.

Strontium Dog wrote:

willhud9 wrote:What is gained by hunting and killing a lion? Do you need the lion meat? Probably not. Do you need the pelt? Probably not. Are the lions man-eaters than need to be culled to protect people? Definitely not. Do you just want to look "cool" and "rugged" by posing with an easy killed lion? Probably.

Killing a prey species makes sense. If they hunted antelopes like gazelle or wildebeests that'd be one thing but there is no real justification for killing a lion. Just rich people paying money to have a moment of "glory."

What does "need" have to with the act of killing? People kill animals because they want to use the carcass. "Need" doesn't come into it. The hunter who shot this lion no more needs a photograph of himself with the corpse than you need to eat a cheeseburger for lunch.

Start thinking in terms of want, not need, because there is very little need for any human being in any modern society to kill an animal.

Rachel Bronwyn wrote:On a related note, in Zimbabwe...

"Hunters lured the lion into leaving the park, a technique used by poachers to “legally” kill protected animals. The lion was shot with a bow and arrow. Authorities then tracked the injured animal for 40 hours before hunters shot Cecil to death with a rifle, then skinned and beheaded him."

Cecil the lion – the most famous creature in one of Zimbabwe's national parks – was killed by an American hunter who has boasted about shooting a menagerie of animals with his bow and arrow, The Telegraph can reveal.

Walter Palmer, a dentist from Minnesota, is believed to have paid £35,000 to shoot and kill the much-loved lion with a bow and arrow. The animal was shot on July 1 in Hwange National Park. Two independent sources have confirmed the hunter's identity to the paper, which has also seen a copy of the relevant hunting permit.

US dentist Walter Palmer 'regrets' killing Zimbabwe lion Cecil

A US dentist who killed a lion in Zimbabwe says he regrets shooting the well-known animal and insists that he thought he was on a legal hunt.

Police in Zimbabwe have arrested two people over the death of Cecil, the country's most famous lion, and say Mr Palmer may also face poaching charges.

But Mr Palmer, from Minnesota, said he relied on professional guides to find a lion and obtain the necessary permits.
He also said he only found out the lion's identity at the end of the hunt.

But Mr Palmer, who is thought to be back in the US, insisted that his guides had secured "all proper permits" for the hunt.

"I relied on the expertise of my local professional guides to ensure a legal hunt," he said in a statement on Tuesday.

He said he had not been contacted by authorities in Zimbabwe or the US but said he "will assist them in any inquiries they may have".

"Again, I deeply regret that my pursuit of an activity I love and practice responsibly and legally resulted in the taking of this lion," he added.