South Africa's disgraceful lion-breeding industry.

Mike_L · **#81** by **Mike_L** » Jul 30, 2015 12:07 pm

Quite so! I'm not suggesting that one should ignore Palmer's misdeed. He should be prosecuted... within the ambit of the law. (His fellow miscreants have already appeared in court.) It's just the death threats that are a bit over-the-top, IMO.

Briton · **#82** by **Briton** » Jul 30, 2015 12:11 pm

Mike_L wrote:Quite so! I'm not suggesting that one should ignore Palmer's misdeed. He should be prosecuted... within the ambit of the law. (His fellow miscreants have already appeared in court.) It's just the death threats that are a bit over-the-top, IMO.

Agreed but I suspect the claims of death threats are also a bit OTT.

Strontium Dog · **#83** by **Strontium Dog** » Jul 30, 2015 12:16 pm

Some of us take a stand against a moth-eaten lion shot in Zimbabwe.
Some of us take a stand against the 8 billion animals killed in the UK for food every year.

Horses for courses, like.

Tenacious Tubbs · **#84** by **Tenacious Tubbs** » Jul 30, 2015 12:34 pm

Strontium Dog wrote:Some of us take a stand against a moth-eaten lion shot in Zimbabwe.
Some of us take a stand against the 8 billion animals killed in the UK for food every year.

Horses for courses, like.

Whilst arguments can (and are) made against faming animals for food, I think comparing that to the illegal poaching of a protected animal, part of a comparatively much rarer (borderline endangered) species, and merely for the enjoyment of the act of killing, is more than a bit facile.

CarlPierce · **#85** by **CarlPierce** » Jul 30, 2015 12:49 pm

Spearthrower wrote:
CarlPierce wrote:
Mike_L wrote:
Spearthrower wrote:

What he did was pretty shit, but he's not a murderer or a terrorist, and even were Hell anything other than a delusional fantasy, the source from which it may be gleaned has no problem whatsoever with killing other animals.

We're a seriously fucked up species!

Yep. Palmer's deed was altogether vile and selfish, but the over-the-top response of some of his detractors is in the realms of comedy farce.

Your wrong Mike it is time we took a stand over the destruction of the planets wildlife - this scum is just an example. The publicity will prevent other sadist hunters.

Unless taking a stand consists of making absurd and inaccurate accusations, and terrorizing people with death threats... I don't really understand how this represents 'taking a stand'.

This publicity is making hunters as popular as a pedophile who posts pictures of the little girls he has raped . Driving public opinion is the way to demonstrate to policy makers that it is time to stop sadistic scum murdering their way across the planet. Banning 'trophy' import would be a nice start. I don't see fox hunting legalisation after this wave of public power. Well done anyone who wants it to stop and shame on apologists for needless wanton cruelty (see above).

CarlPierce · **#86** by **CarlPierce** » Jul 30, 2015 12:55 pm

Strontium Dog wrote:Some of us take a stand against a moth-eaten lion shot in Zimbabwe.
Some of us take a stand against the 8 billion animals killed in the UK for food every year.

Horses for courses, like.

Two completely separate issues if you want to discuss factory farming start a new thread.

Strontium Dog · **#87** by **Strontium Dog** » Jul 30, 2015 1:42 pm

Tenacious Tubbs wrote:Whilst arguments can (and are) made against faming animals for food, I think comparing that to the illegal poaching of a protected animal, part of a comparatively much rarer (borderline endangered) species, and merely for the enjoyment of the act of killing, is more than a bit facile.

Oh, I wasn't making any comparison. 8 billion deaths versus 1 death is simply incomparable. Suffice it to say that one dead cat barely registers on my give-a-fuck-ometer. What can I say, I'm a rationalist.

Tenacious Tubbs · **#88** by **Tenacious Tubbs** » Jul 30, 2015 1:59 pm

Strontium Dog wrote:
Tenacious Tubbs wrote:Whilst arguments can (and are) made against faming animals for food, I think comparing that to the illegal poaching of a protected animal, part of a comparatively much rarer (borderline endangered) species, and merely for the enjoyment of the act of killing, is more than a bit facile.

Oh, I wasn't making any comparison. 8 billion deaths versus 1 death is simply incomparable. Suffice it to say that one dead cat barely registers on my give-a-fuck-ometer. What can I say, I'm a rationalist.

Why do people get upset about child murderers when disease kills millions of children every year? I'm just being "rational".

Strontium Dog · **#89** by **Strontium Dog** » Jul 30, 2015 2:07 pm

If you want to compare children with animals while erecting a feeble straw man and pretend you're being rational, don't let me stop you.

Tenacious Tubbs · **#90** by **Tenacious Tubbs** » Jul 30, 2015 2:09 pm

Strontium Dog wrote:If you want to compare children with animals while erecting a feeble straw man and pretend you're being rational, don't let me stop you.

I'm not comparing children with animals. I'm comparing children with children. Just like you were comparing animals with animals in your post.

Strontium Dog · **#91** by **Strontium Dog** » Jul 30, 2015 4:16 pm

Like I said, a feeble straw man. Nevertheless I'm sure it will play well with those who support and defend animal murder, hence the thumbs up for your posts.

CarlPierce · **#92** by **CarlPierce** » Jul 30, 2015 4:26 pm

Strontium Dog wrote:
Tenacious Tubbs wrote:Whilst arguments can (and are) made against faming animals for food, I think comparing that to the illegal poaching of a protected animal, part of a comparatively much rarer (borderline endangered) species, and merely for the enjoyment of the act of killing, is more than a bit facile.

Oh, I wasn't making any comparison. 8 billion deaths versus 1 death is simply incomparable. Suffice it to say that one dead cat barely registers on my give-a-fuck-ometer. What can I say, I'm a rationalist.

Actually your not being rational.
Murder is usually worse than stealing but it doesn't make stealing right. Start a separate thread about the other issue.

Agi Hammerthief · **#93** by **Agi Hammerthief** » Jul 30, 2015 4:38 pm

do you wear a surgon's mask at night?
To avoid accidentially swollowing of flies and spiders?

Mike_L · **#94** by **Mike_L** » Jul 30, 2015 5:21 pm

Cecil the Lion's death has probably already resulted in all of his cubs being killed by rivals

As if the death of Cecil the Lion wasn't bad enough, at least 12 of his cubs are now in danger of being killed by his rivals. NBC News reports that conservation experts who had been tracking Cecil for seven years said that the patriarch's death would no doubt result in a catastrophic cascade of effects, as a new leader will move in to take over his pride.

Johnny Rodrigues from the Zimbabwe Conservation Task Force told The Guardian that Jericho, the next lion in the hierarchy, will most likely kill all of Cecil's cubs in an effort to assert his bloodline.
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Full text at:
http://traveller24.news24.com/Explore/Bush/Cecil-the-Lions-death-has-probably-already-resulted-in-all-of-his-cubs-being-killed-by-rivals-20150730

Strontium Dog · **#95** by **Strontium Dog** » Jul 30, 2015 5:25 pm

So Jericho is the real villain of the piece, as he's killed 12 times as many lions as this poor dentist fellow.

campermon · **#96** by **campermon** » Jul 30, 2015 6:14 pm

Strontium Dog wrote:So Jericho is the real villain of the piece, as he's killed 12 times as many lions as this poor dentist fellow.

'Jericho' is a lion.

HTHs

:thumbup:

Strontium Dog · **#97** by **Strontium Dog** » Jul 30, 2015 7:17 pm

campermon wrote:
Strontium Dog wrote:So Jericho is the real villain of the piece, as he's killed 12 times as many lions as this poor dentist fellow.

'Jericho' is a lion.

Relevance?

Has he killed a dozen times as many lions as the dentist or hasn't he?

campermon · **#98** by **campermon** » Jul 30, 2015 7:31 pm

Strontium Dog wrote:
campermon wrote:
Strontium Dog wrote:So Jericho is the real villain of the piece, as he's killed 12 times as many lions as this poor dentist fellow.

'Jericho' is a lion.

Relevance?

Has he killed a dozen times as many lions as the dentist or hasn't he?

'Jericho' is not a moral agent.

The dentist is.

HTHs

:thumbup:

Mike_L · **#99** by **Mike_L** » Jul 30, 2015 7:58 pm

It's like a feline version of Israel...

A Zionist lion ('Jericho', FFS!) does a land grab along with a criminal American enabler.

:shifty:

(Kidding).

campermon · **#100** by **campermon** » Jul 30, 2015 8:03 pm

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