Strontium Dog wrote:I'm not here to indulge your, and society's, irrational double standards.

Strontium Dog wrote:Either killing non-endangered animals is okay, or it isn't. No middle ground.

Strontium Dog wrote:There is no middle round between guilty and innocent. There is no middle ground between true or false. There is no middle ground between rape and consensual sex. This is binary. It's okay, or it isn't. There are no rational grounds for the argument "it's okay to kill pigs, cows and chickens, but it's not okay to kill cats, dogs and foxes". Not even if you give the cat a name.

Nicko wrote:

Strontium Dog wrote:If farming pigs is okay, then farming lions is okay.

I agree.

But pig farms aren't giving people who want a plate of spare ribs the opportunity to incompetently shoot a pig multiple times before the pig farmer finally has to put the poor thing out of it's misery.

Strontium Dog wrote:There is no middle round between guilty and innocent.

Spearthrower wrote:A more accurate analogy than farming of domesticated animals for consumption would be farming bears for bear-baiting.

Strontium Dog wrote:If hunting wild deer is okay, then hunting wild lions is okay. If farming pigs is okay, then farming lions is okay. Arguments otherwise are thoroughly specious and typically necessitate the insertion of irrationalities like emotion.

Bullet bounces off armadillo and puts triggerhappy Texan in hospital
Man fires three rounds at armoured mammal - and has to be airlifted to hospital after ricochet hits him in face

I'm With Stupid wrote:Anyway, lions are one thing, but don't fuck with armadillos.

Bullet bounces off armadillo and puts triggerhappy Texan in hospital
Man fires three rounds at armoured mammal - and has to be airlifted to hospital after ricochet hits him in face

Rachel Bronwyn wrote:If it makes you feel better, the lions people shoot in SA are captive-bred for the bullet. Your wild populations are safe from Minnesotan dentists!

Spearthrower wrote:

Nicko wrote:

Strontium Dog wrote:If farming pigs is okay, then farming lions is okay.

I agree.

But pig farms aren't giving people who want a plate of spare ribs the opportunity to incompetently shoot a pig multiple times before the pig farmer finally has to put the poor thing out of it's misery.

The main difference is that farming lions is not for nutrition or any specific material need, but for the pleasure of the act of killing. A more accurate analogy than farming of domesticated animals for consumption would be farming bears for bear-baiting.

Agrippina wrote:

Rachel Bronwyn wrote:If it makes you feel better, the lions people shoot in SA are captive-bred for the bullet. Your wild populations are safe from Minnesotan dentists!

Yeah the lions are but the rest of the wildlife in the reserves aren't. We're now deploying the army into the Kruger Park and they're told to shoot poachers on sight.

"Hunting of lions, leopards and elephant in areas outside of Hwange National Park has been suspended with immediate effect," Edson Chidziya, head of Zimbabwe's parks and wildlife authority said in a statement.

International outrage was unleashed when Cecil, the star of the Hwange National Park, was lured out of the parks boundaries and shot by American dentist Walter Palmer. The wealthy tourist allegedly used a bow and arrow to wound the animal, then tracked it down and killed it, accompanied by local guide Theo Bronkhorst.

Wildlife officials also suspended bow and arrow hunting, except with a permission from the top tier of the organization.

"All such hunts will only be conducted if confirmed and authorized in writing by the Director-General of the Zimbabwe Parks and Wildlife Management Authority, and only if accompanied by parks staff," Chidziya said.

Agrippina wrote:

Rachel Bronwyn wrote:If it makes you feel better, the lions people shoot in SA are captive-bred for the bullet. Your wild populations are safe from Minnesotan dentists!

Yeah the lions are but the rest of the wildlife in the reserves aren't. We're now deploying the army into the Kruger Park and they're told to shoot poachers on sight.

Spearthrower wrote:killing for food is clearly distinct from killing for pleasure

Cecil king of the news
2015-08-02 16:26

Thomas Hartleb, News24

Cecil the lion was king of the news both locally, internationally and on social networks in the past week, media monitoring company ROi Africa said on Sunday.
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Internationally, Cecil was mentioned in 34% of news media surveyed, followed by US presidential hopeful Donald Trump at 16% and the death and funeral of Bobbi Kristina Brown at 9%.
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Cecil the lion lights up NY's Empire State building
2015-08-02

A giant picture of the beloved Zimbabwean lion killed by an American trophy hunter was among images projected on Saturday onto the Empire State Building in New York in a dazzling display.

The "Projecting Change on the Empire State Building" initiative was designed to raise awareness about the plight of endangered animals and was billed as a first of its kind.

An image of the lion Cecil, whose killing has sparked international outrage, was prime among animals whose pictures covered 33 floors of the southern face of one of the world's most famous landmarks in an eight-minute video loop.
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'What lion?' Zimbabweans ask, amid global Cecil outrage
2015-07-30

As social media exploded with outrage this week at the killing of Cecil the lion, the shooting of the celebrated cat by an American dentist has gone largely unnoticed in the animal's native Zimbabwe.

"What lion?" acting information minister Prisca Mupfumira asked in response to a request for comment about Cecil, who was at that moment topping global news bulletins and generating reams of abuse for his killer on websites in the United States and Europe.
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For most people in the southern African nation, where unemployment tops 80% and the economy continues to feel the after-effects of billion percent hyperinflation a decade ago, the uproar had all the hallmarks of a ''First World Problem''.

"Are you saying that all this noise is about a dead lion? Lions are killed all the time in this country," said Tryphina Kaseke, a used-clothes hawker on the streets of Harare. "What is so special about this one?"

As with many countries in Africa, in Zimbabwe big wild animals such as lions, elephants or hippos are seen either as a potential meal, or a threat to people and property that need to be controlled or killed.

The world of Palmer, who paid $50 000 to kill 13-year-old Cecil, is a very different one from that inhabited by millions of rural Africans who are more than occasionally victims of wild animal attacks.
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noncredo wrote:

Strontium Dog wrote:There is no middle round between guilty and innocent. There is no middle ground between true or false. There is no middle ground between rape and consensual sex. This is binary. It's okay, or it isn't. There are no rational grounds for the argument "it's okay to kill pigs, cows and chickens, but it's not okay to kill cats, dogs and foxes". Not even if you give the cat a name.

There is a pretty obvious rational argument for killing pigs, cows and chickens, and not killing cats and dogs. Not sure how fox ended up in the no kill list. Cats and dogs are considered pets in most western countries and pigs, cows and chickens are considered food. We, as a society, have developed a special bond with cats and dogs that we have not developed with cows, pigs and chickens. Although if someone does develop a bond with a pig, as does happen, most would frown on killing that pig.

Nicko wrote:

Strontium Dog wrote:If farming pigs is okay, then farming lions is okay.

I agree.

But pig farms aren't giving people who want a plate of spare ribs the opportunity to incompetently shoot a pig multiple times before the pig farmer finally has to put the poor thing out of it's misery.

Strontium Dog wrote:

Spearthrower wrote:killing for food is clearly distinct from killing for pleasure

Because you say it is?

Strontium Dog wrote:lmao

Come back to me when you have something more than a bare assertion fallacy.

Strontium Dog wrote:Meanwhile, I will be killing and dismembering my next door neighbour. Because it's okay if I eat him afterwards.