The New And Coming Plague

Ironclad · **#2141** by **Ironclad** » Jun 23, 2020 6:32 am

What is going on over there? Aren’t you guys in full lockdown? Were you ever?

Rachel Bronwyn · **#2142** by **Rachel Bronwyn** » Jun 23, 2020 7:02 am

No and all states are proceeding with reopening businesses that did close.

Thomas Eshuis · **#2143** by **Thomas Eshuis** » Jun 23, 2020 6:22 pm

Today, for the second time, our House of Commons equivalent voted against structural wage increase for healthcare workers. FFs.

Fallible · **#2144** by **Fallible** » Jun 23, 2020 10:15 pm

Here, a Tory minister has been saying that the thousands of student nurses who were called on to help during the crisis are ‘not deemed to be providing a service’ and are ‘supernumerary’ after one of them said she’d be leaving uni with £60,000 in debt despite risking her life to work for the NHS, and asked for her debt to be wiped.

Svartalf · **#2145** by **Svartalf** » Jun 24, 2020 8:52 am

bad faith and ingratitude, from a politician? Pray, tell me it's not true.

laklak · **#2146** by **laklak** » Jun 24, 2020 6:46 pm

Lockdown? We don't need no stinking lockdown.

Svartalf · **#2147** by **Svartalf** » Jun 24, 2020 6:55 pm

Indeed and we don't, there are better way to avoid the contagion without putting the country's economy on its ear.

The_Piper · **#2148** by **The_Piper** » Jun 24, 2020 7:50 pm

It's being done on a state to state basis, with almost no guidance from the federal gov't. The only thing they did was give a fortune to big businesses and crumbs to everyone else. I'm not sure what lockdown means, but we were down to essential travel only, and anyone coming in from out of state had to quarantine for 2 weeks. I think we're on phase 2 now. Proof of a negative coronavirus test can be given in lieu of quarantining for out-of-staters. I see someone I know from NH posted pics of Old Orchard Beach in Maine yesterday, so clearly not everyone is following that. Maybe they didn't even know about it. There was a requirement for wearing masks when indoors at stores, Dr offices, etc. Less than a quarter of people honored it, and now not even grocery store employees are wearing them anymore. As soon as we get a few cases in my area, it's going to balloon quickly because people are acting like it's over. We're benefiting from the closed US/Canada border I'd bet. The only US state we border is NH, so there's not a lot of out of state visiting so far and we haven't had a huge amount of community transmission outside of the Portland region, which is over 200 miles from here. There are 454 active cases in the state currently, over a population of 1.3 million.

NineBerry · **#2149** by **NineBerry** » Jun 24, 2020 8:41 pm

"known" is missing there before "active cases" :-)

The_Piper · **#2150** by **The_Piper** » Jun 24, 2020 8:44 pm

NineBerry wrote:"known" is missing there before "active cases"

Yep, thanks for the correction. Testing capacity has increased as everywhere else, but they're still not testing huge quantities of people here. Anyone can get one now, so they say, so hopefully they're testing the ones who's infection status matter most.

OlivierK · **#2151** by **OlivierK** » Jun 24, 2020 11:10 pm

The_Piper wrote:The only US state we border is NH, so there's not a lot of out of state visiting so far and we haven't had a huge amount of community transmission outside of the Portland region, which is over 200 miles from here. There are 454 active cases in the state currently, over a population of 1.3 million.

That's still more active cases than Australia, population 25.8m, and twice as many active cases as we had per million at peak. I suspect that without a full lockdown, it's just going to bubble along in Maine at about its current levels over summer.

The_Piper · **#2152** by **The_Piper** » Jun 24, 2020 11:15 pm

I'm not expecting it to get better if/until there's a vaccine. Relative to most other states, we're at least not completely out of control. Not today. Maybe if Maine was part of Australia it would be doing better than the rest of Australia. What part of my post sounded like I was trying to be positive?

OlivierK · **#2153** by **OlivierK** » Jun 25, 2020 12:04 am

No, I know you get it.

And yeah, Maine would probably be doing well here. My own region, away from the major cities, is doing much better than Sydney or Melbourne. In my home shire (county), population ~15000, people were pretty freaked out when we had a case listed, but calmed down when they found it it was someone whose principal residential address was in our shire, but who was currently staying hundreds of kilometres away. In our closest city (pop ~80,000) I think we had 11 cases, the last of which was in April.

But we're still not fully out of lockdown - we're still a week away from reopening outdoor sports facilities, although schools are back, and pretty much all businesses open, subject to customer number limits.

Animavore · **#2154** by **Animavore** » Jun 25, 2020 12:08 am

Bird of Prey attack on jogger could be linked to Covid-19

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The attack could be linked to Covid-19, according to Niall Hatch of Birdwatch who has heard of another similar incident in the last few weeks in Co. Dublin.

"These kind of attacks are extremely rare and what we are thinking is that Buzzards have nested this year closer to main roads and footpaths because of the lack of human activity during Covid-19 lockdown.

"They are extremely territorial so when people are out and about again, they are trying to fend off would-be attackers from the nest. It's terrible for those who have been attacked but the good news is that the nesting season is about to end so any attacks, however rare, should also finish.

https://www.meathchronicle.ie/2020/06/2 ... 8TY33m6510

Alan C · **#2155** by **Alan C** » Jun 25, 2020 2:37 am

Svartalf wrote:Indeed and we don't, there are better way to avoid the contagion without putting the country's economy on its ear.

What ways would that be?

The_Piper · **#2156** by **The_Piper** » Jun 25, 2020 2:49 am

OlivierK wrote:No, I know you get it.

And yeah, Maine would probably be doing well here. My own region, away from the major cities, is doing much better than Sydney or Melbourne. In my home shire (county), population ~15000, people were pretty freaked out when we had a case listed, but calmed down when they found it it was someone whose principal residential address was in our shire, but who was currently staying hundreds of kilometres away. In our closest city (pop ~80,000) I think we had 11 cases, the last of which was in April.

But we're still not fully out of lockdown - we're still a week away from reopening outdoor sports facilities, although schools are back, and pretty much all businesses open, subject to customer number limits.

No doubt Oz did better than most other countries. We still have restrictions like that too in Maine, though compliance is woeful, which is why I expect it to get worse here.
I can paint a rosier picture of the situation where I live, and maybe I should. My county has 4 or 5 known active cases. The county includes here, all 90 miles south to Bangor, the third “largest city” in Maine. There’s the University of Maine in Orono. Maine borders New Hampshire, who’ve had more than three times the death rate as Maine. That’s more to do with proximity to, and ties to Boston I'm thinking. Maine also borders Quebec, who's death rate is several times higher than ours due to their large cities presumably. New Brunswick has made out better than us, and they have an even lower population density than Maine as a whole. I’d argue they’re a touch more geographically isolated as well. I’d like to feel ok about all this, but I’d be misguided if I did, because we unfortunately happen to be connected to the United States. My zip code has had only 1 case that I know of, and definitely 5 orless. This isn't all thanks to politicians, but if the election was held today, I’d enthusiastically vote for our governor’s re-election. She’s doing a hell of a job with what she has to work with. Thankfully she’s with us until 2022, bar impeachment, which some misguided people are calling for. Cause she had overestimated the danger, they think. I’m starting to wonder if those people could add 2+2.

Hermit · **#2157** by **Hermit** » Jun 25, 2020 5:53 am

laklak wrote:Lockdown? We don't need no stinking lockdown.

Of course not. The pandemic is under control now.

Especially in Florida.

You can't imagine how pissed off I feel to be stuck in that shithole known as Australia.

There's been an uptick of new cases in the state of Victoria in recent days. The state's Premier has re-imposed strict COVID-19 measures that had been loosened earlier.

(Sreenshots from Worldometers)

OlivierK · **#2158** by **OlivierK** » Jun 25, 2020 7:52 am

Yep. Sobering to note that Florida, with 80% of Australia's population, needs an extra zero on the y-axis of those graphs.

Fenrir · **#2159** by **Fenrir** » Jun 25, 2020 8:53 am

That's not the one that bothers me. It's the daily new cases worldwide that scares me.

Animavore · **#2160** by **Animavore** » Jun 25, 2020 7:38 pm

This headline, I can't read the article because I'm geoblocked, is about 18 members of a Texan family testing positive for covid after a surprise party.

https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A ... =%2CmH-R&c[0]=AT3SuuJ-zh_CjmbP6M7_jKSYuMHnd-cB6TXMLvw_3GypHj6RMU6bPomjIMxLzFrcAYh3viPjUGzJOvCgfA1jHSiTARnyDdFS3WU6BobZzyPWzspl9X8t7kSCt6uhlEEvPpDObfi5GT_124UIQD8OPd9URFPtTckWrSzjUE-uPHssYRfzmXI

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