The New And Coming Plague

Hermit · **#3101** by **Hermit** » Oct 18, 2020 11:11 am

Mike_L wrote:
...these three scientists, who are either useful idiots or who are down with the whole right wing "open the economy at all costs" thing...

"...who are down with the whole right wing thing..."
So they must be closet libertarians conspiring with open right-wingers...

Again, it is you bringing in conspiracy, nobody else. Stop it already.

Feeling merciful, I choose to ignore the rest of your ranty jumble.

felltoearth · **#3102** by **felltoearth** » Oct 19, 2020 3:55 am

Seems the Deep State got to Sweden.

Sweden shifts away from no-lockdown strategy amid growing case numbers - Business Insider

Sweden will shift away from its early coronavirus strategy of opting against lockdown measures and instead embrace restrictive measures adopted by most of its neighbors amid growing case numbers in the country.

Anders Tegnell, Sweden's state epidemiologist, is set to meet with local health officials next week to discuss which measures to put into place in response to outbreaks in the capital Stockholm and nearby city Uppsala, The Telegraph newspaper reported.

Mike_L · **#3103** by **Mike_L** » Oct 19, 2020 5:26 am

felltoearth wrote:Seems the Deep State got to Sweden.

F*ckers have got global reach. :nono:

More sincerely though...

The Business Insider headline is somewhat misleading. It implies that Sweden is now moving toward a lockdown strategy, but the main text says nothing of the sort. There's no mention of confining people to their homes.

...
However, unlike in other countries, there will be no fines or legal consequences for people who decide not to follow any new advice. Bitte Brastad, the chief legal officer at Sweden's public health agency, said the rules were "something in between regulations and recommendations."
...

It's rather more like one of the middle-road "better systems" suggested by the WHO's David Nabarro.

OlivierK · **#3104** by **OlivierK** » Oct 20, 2020 1:55 am

Victoria, which didn't go for a "middle-road better system" but police-enforceable lockdowns and curfews, had 1 new COVID case today, down from a peak of 700+, with case numbers falling by more than 50% every fortnight since the level 4 lockdown was imposed 11 weeks ago.

Sweden's case rate per million population is broadly at the same level now that Victoria's was when their hard lockdown was imposed. It will be interesting to see if Sweden manages fortnightly reductions of 50% in cases. With luck, they'll do better than Victoria on deaths, given the aged care fuckups we had here. If not, the "better systems" might not turn out to be "better" after all.

Thomas Eshuis · **#3105** by **Thomas Eshuis** » Oct 20, 2020 5:35 am

Apologies, there doesn't appear to be a version with English subtitles yet.

ronmcd · **#3106** by **ronmcd** » Oct 20, 2020 9:25 pm

From 17th October:
https://twitter.com/tnewtondunn/status/ ... 4143557632

A month ago, @CMO_England was pilloried for scaremongering when he said there could be 200 deaths a day by mid November if action wasn't taken to control the covid second wave. Today there were 150 deaths. Looks like he underestimated.

Today:
https://twitter.com/tnewtondunn/status/ ... 7657346049

241 deaths today. Confirmed, Chris Whitty was a month shy.

Thommo · **#3107** by **Thommo** » Oct 20, 2020 9:37 pm

Wow, that Twitter thread is depressing.

ronmcd · **#3108** by **ronmcd** » Oct 20, 2020 9:50 pm

Everything is depressing

ronmcd · **#3109** by **ronmcd** » Oct 20, 2020 9:54 pm

Thommo wrote:Wow, that Twitter thread is depressing.

Quite a few comments suggesting "yeah but it's reported deaths, they didn't all happen yesterday" etc, but as one poster points out "in a few days 500 won't all have died in one day"

Exaggeration I'm sure, but a valid point

OlivierK · **#3110** by **OlivierK** » Oct 20, 2020 10:15 pm

During periods of rising deaths per day, reported deaths for any given day are likely to be less than the actual number of deaths on that day, due to fact that reporting takes time, so reported deaths are a lagging measure.

Thommo · **#3111** by **Thommo** » Oct 20, 2020 11:28 pm

ronmcd wrote:
Thommo wrote:Wow, that Twitter thread is depressing.

Quite a few comments suggesting "yeah but it's reported deaths, they didn't all happen yesterday" etc, but as one poster points out "in a few days 500 won't all have died in one day"

Exaggeration I'm sure, but a valid point

The one that most got me was complaining that it was all overblown because Covid was only the 23rd "greatest" (that's how they punctuated it, IIRC) cause of death. I looked it up, that was true in August after months of lockdown reduced the burden by orders of magnitude. Wasn't quite so true in April, sadly.

There was another that said that if you don't count any covid death where there was no underlying condition then the actual number of covid deaths was zero.

Lockdown is a victim of its own success. People claim we don't need lockdown because there aren't loads of people dying, which is a direct consequence of lockdown. Literally the whole point of disease prevention.

Anyway, I hate Twitter. I wish it would go away.

Alan C · **#3112** by **Alan C** » Oct 21, 2020 12:28 am

A cluster has popped up in the South Island here among some international fishing people already in isolation. Comments I've seen is there are so many of these guys because the fishing industry here pays shit wages [among the other issues they have like dodging accountability].

Hermit · **#3113** by **Hermit** » Oct 21, 2020 3:56 am

Thommo wrote:There was another that said that if you don't count any covid death where there was no underlying condition then the actual number of covid deaths was zero.

That assertion is easily knocked dead, so to speak, by the concept of excess mortality.

In fact, in most countries the number of deaths reported to be due to the novel Covid-19 virus does not even cover the total number of excess deaths. This leads to the conclusion that deaths due to that virus is greater than officially reported numbers.

ronmcd · **#3114** by **ronmcd** » Oct 21, 2020 4:37 pm

UK records 26,688 new Covid cases - new daily record, and 25% up on yesterday

Thomas Eshuis · **#3115** by **Thomas Eshuis** » Oct 23, 2020 2:09 pm

ronmcd wrote:UK records 26,688 new Covid cases - new daily record, and 25% up on yesterday

We're catching up, from 8800 new cases to 10000+ today. :nono:

NineBerry · **#3116** by **NineBerry** » Oct 23, 2020 2:34 pm

Thomas Eshuis wrote:
ronmcd wrote:UK records 26,688 new Covid cases - new daily record, and 25% up on yesterday

We're catching up, from 8800 new cases to 10000+ today.

Thomas Eshuis · **#3117** by **Thomas Eshuis** » Oct 23, 2020 4:47 pm

NineBerry wrote:
Thomas Eshuis wrote:
ronmcd wrote:UK records 26,688 new Covid cases - new daily record, and 25% up on yesterday

We're catching up, from 8800 new cases to 10000+ today.

The only show I still watch on TV, even-though it's also available on YT.

Fenrir · **#3118** by **Fenrir** » Oct 24, 2020 3:29 am

ronmcd wrote:UK records 26,688 new Covid cases - new daily record, and 25% up on yesterday

That is almost, almost, our entire recorded infections, in one day.

Won't be long and you'll be back in the top 10 by worldometer ranking. Yay you. Good job.

ronmcd · **#3119** by **ronmcd** » Oct 24, 2020 9:20 am

We try.

Evolving · **#3120** by **Evolving** » Oct 24, 2020 10:58 am

We hit 595 new cases on Wednesday. May not seem very many, but it’s a lot for a country with only 600k inhabitants.

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