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Re: Tory Party watch

#761  Postby ronmcd » Jul 05, 2015 9:50 pm

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A majority of 12. Not one Cameron can particularly trust either. 24% of the available vote. Certainly a 'win' but hardly a strong position.


Not 37% of the available vote. A majority of 12 is quite sufficient for say changing the electoral system so anyone who doesn't have a job loses their vote for example (a policy that would almost certainly have popular support)

Now, see, this is a concrete example of you just making shit up.

- a majority of 12 would NEVER be enough to get an INSANE change to the electoral system like that through
- there is not popular support for removing the vote from the unemployed

Although, with you being so certain, I can at least be confident in never believing any other opinions you share with us.
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#762  Postby Beatsong » Jul 05, 2015 9:55 pm

ronmcd wrote:Although, with you being so certain, I can at least be confident in never believing any other opinions you share with us.


It's almost like he's "never wrong". :lol:
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#763  Postby chairman bill » Jul 06, 2015 7:30 am

Beatsong wrote:It's almost like he's "never wrong". :lol:


Have you ever seen them in the same room together?
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Re: Tory Party watch

#764  Postby ronmcd » Jul 06, 2015 8:47 am

chairman bill wrote:
Beatsong wrote:It's almost like he's "never wrong". :lol:


Have you ever seen them in the same room together?

I'll give you that one.
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Re: Tory Party watch

#765  Postby mattthomas » Jul 06, 2015 10:16 am

mrjonno wrote:
A majority of 12. Not one Cameron can particularly trust either. 24% of the available vote. Certainly a 'win' but hardly a strong position.


Not 37% of the available vote. A majority of 12 is quite sufficient for say changing the electoral system so anyone who doesn't have a job loses their vote for example (a policy that would almost certainly have popular support)

I get it, "almost certainly" in your mind means "really wouldn't" in reality.
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Re: Tory Party watch

#766  Postby Strontium Dog » Jul 06, 2015 12:04 pm

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ronmcd wrote:Although, with you being so certain, I can at least be confident in never believing any other opinions you share with us.


It's almost like he's "never wrong". :lol:


In the same sense as you never troll.
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Re: Tory Party watch

#767  Postby ED209 » Jul 06, 2015 1:01 pm

The topic of the tory watch thread is tory policy.

No wait! It's tory council candidates.

No wait! It's Beatsong. It has always been Beatsong. It's Beatsong all the way down :teef:
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Re: Tory Party watch

#768  Postby ronmcd » Jul 06, 2015 5:00 pm

ED209 wrote:The topic of the tory watch thread is tory policy.

No wait! It's tory council candidates.

No wait! It's Beatsong. It has always been Beatsong. It's Beatsong all the way down :teef:

It's scotchland, surely? :scratch:
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Re: Tory Party watch

#769  Postby Calilasseia » Jul 06, 2015 5:52 pm

Oh you're all going to love this ... not ...

Cameron is privatising the land beneath our feet

magine you awoke one morning to find David Cameron stood in your garden banging a For Sale sign into your flowerbed…Well, that morning has arrived.

The government’s new Infrastructure Bill removes control for decisions to sell or develop publicly owned land from the public sector. In short, before long, a private company will have the power to sell publicly owned land for Fracking, new nuclear, or whatever else it likes – and the public say in the development of its own land will be a thing of the past.


Further on, the article reveals this:

The Infrastructure Bill has somehow managed to slip through to its Second Reading in the House of Lords from 1830 Wednesday 18th June 2014, with almost zero news coverage – and I mean anywhere. I picked it up from Schnews and the keen politicos. So don’t feel bad for not having heard about it, feel bad for democracy.

The Bill contains a clause that will end local decision making over use of publicly owned land. As Schnews puts it, this ends the rights of Councils:

in granting or denying planning consent, cancels any rights of way or any need to ask the people of England and Wales if they mind losing their parks, playing fields, allotments, woodlands, public facilities or village greens to housing developers, fracking companies, road- or railway-builders. It’s the land grab to end all land grabs.


With much of the say over land development moving to the Land Registry, we come to the next issue. The government is selling off the Land Registry to private, profit making interests.

The government has also ordered local authorities to transfer up to 90% of brown field sites (previously developed sites that have become vacant, contaminated but could be reused) into the hands of the Homes and Communities Agency (the latest quango) where Eric Pickles (and his successors) and just two inspectors will control the planning decisions.

The Infrastructure Bill contains a clause which will allow ALL public land to be privatised. There’s no need to reference the Forestry Act 1967, the Countryside Rights of Way Act or any other protective law, because Schedule 3 of the Bill- states that “the property, rights and liabilities that may be transferred by a scheme include… property, rights and liabilities that would not otherwise be capable of being transferred or assigned.”

In plain English, this means all preceding regulations, legislation and other protections for this site are null and void – fill your boots.

If this Bill passes, we will have the private sector deciding the sale price, planning requirements and development plans for publicly owned land. The government is taking our land – our communally owned parks, rivers, beaches, moors, mountains and fields – handing the lot over to the control of one private company, and removing any democratic mandate for decision making whatsoever.
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#770  Postby Calilasseia » Jul 06, 2015 6:38 pm

The Guardian has more on this ...

Campaigners and opposition peers fear that the bill could also licence the government to sell off any public land it chooses, while cancelling, without process or debate, public access and use. Clauses 21 and 22 allow it to transfer property from other public bodies to the Homes and Communities Agency and permanently to extinguish easements (rights of use), public rights of way, and the protections afforded to consecrated ground. The HCA can then sell this land to developers, free from public rights.The news site Schnews reveals that during the great battle over the coalition's attempt to sell off the public forest estate, which resulted in the government's first major U-turn, one of the campaigners received an anonymous call from a civil servant. "The forests are just the start," he warned. "They are absolutely determined to sell every scrap of public land – beaches, parks, the lot."
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#771  Postby chairman bill » Jul 06, 2015 8:44 pm

It's the liberal thing to so. Public ownership is socialism and will end in gulags & goose-stepping commissars on every corner. All those who love freedom 'n' liberty will welcome this move. The rest of you just hate freedom.
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#772  Postby Strontium Dog » Jul 06, 2015 9:14 pm

I love that those articles are from June 2014. Clearly in the intervening 13 months, it's made an enormous impact upon all of our lives.
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Re: Tory Party watch

#773  Postby Alan B » Jul 07, 2015 8:14 am

Strontium Dog wrote:I love that those articles are from June 2014. Clearly in the intervening 13 months, it's made an enormous impact upon all of our lives.

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/infrastructure-bill

First published: 6 June 2014
Last updated: 30 January 2015 see all updates
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Re: Tory Party watch

#774  Postby Peter Brown » Jul 07, 2015 8:18 am

There seems to be a contradiction between what the Tories make law and what happens after. Like Osborne puts a benefit cap of 25k and now in the papers we hear of a guy getting 50k in benefits, and that’s ignoring the rest of the media rants.
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#775  Postby mrjonno » Jul 07, 2015 1:48 pm

Peter Brown wrote:There seems to be a contradiction between what the Tories make law and what happens after. Like Osborne puts a benefit cap of 25k and now in the papers we hear of a guy getting 50k in benefits, and that’s ignoring the rest of the media rants.


I don't think benefit caps ever applied to people with child with disabilities (and if you are underclass iyou will have had at least one child diagnosed with ADHD if you have any sense, when my wife worked for the benefits office that one was one of the most common questions 'if I get my child diagnosed with something can I get more')

Of course the silly amount of benefits people get is often due to the lack of housing and rent costs out of control
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#776  Postby ED209 » Jul 08, 2015 12:00 pm

An hour before the budget, they announced a vote on lifting the ban on bloodsports. It's almost as if they didn't want us to notice...
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Re: Tory Party watch

#777  Postby chairman bill » Jul 08, 2015 12:23 pm

mrjonno wrote:... lack of housing and rent costs out of control


Hmm. Which government did away with rent controls, so causing a huge increase in the housing benefit bill, and then cut housing benefit because the cost was too high? Go on, guess.
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#778  Postby THWOTH » Jul 08, 2015 12:43 pm

The Tories are now the party of the working-class, apparently. :coffee:
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Re: Tory Party watch

#779  Postby mrjonno » Jul 08, 2015 1:13 pm

chairman bill wrote:
mrjonno wrote:... lack of housing and rent costs out of control


Hmm. Which government did away with rent controls, so causing a huge increase in the housing benefit bill, and then cut housing benefit because the cost was too high? Go on, guess.


So easy to blame government, the reason their is a lack of housing in the UK is because the people who do have a house (a majority) are quite happy to be living in over priced houses and don't want to see the price of them collapse so fight tooth and nail whenever there is any major housing developments suggested.

For people who do have houses on this forum how much are you prepared to see them drop in value so others can afford them?

The housing market is pure democracy (its definitely not a free market) in action with the majority totally screwing over the minority because its in their interest to do so
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#780  Postby mattthomas » Jul 08, 2015 1:43 pm

I've hit on my next android app to write, a mrjonno script writer. You'll enter a topic and some keywords and it will product a piece of text we can just drop onto the forum to tell us how everyone are bastards and in it for themselves and want to fuck everyone over and why that's just the way it is.
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