mrjonno wrote:I measure caring in pain, how much do you personally suffer in lost of income, loss of time, loss or risk to health by your actions.

I get it. You see life as a zero sum game with no possibility of win-win.

mrjonno wrote:...spending a £5 on Children in Need does not mean you care about children beyond the a few seconds seeing the ad or collection box.

I measure caring in pain, how much do you personally suffer in lost of income...

This isn't even making sense with itself - giving £5 to charity should be measured as £5 loss of (net) income which it takes most people more than a few seconds to earn, and possibly longer than you spent waiting for a paramedic (over which you didn't actually lose any pay).

GrahamH wrote:

mrjonno wrote:I measure caring in pain, how much do you personally suffer in lost of income, loss of time, loss or risk to health by your actions.

I get it. You see life as a zero sum game with no possibility of win-win.

Most of the time yes

You keep belittling people to make a pount - but it's not the point you think it is.

A 76% turnout with 98% of junior doctors in favour of strike action. 99% in favour of some action short of full strike.

BBC report here.

Fuck you Hunt. Fuck you Tories.

Looks like the Tories will need to beef up those Trade Union regulations somewhat....

Unions rejecting an 11% pay rise so they can strike and destabilise a democratically-elected Tory government - it's like the 1970s all over again!

It's not an 11% pay rise in any way because of accompanying cuts to overtime pay, so stop parroting tory lies.

At least the doctors aren't striking with a mandate of something like 20-odd percent like some people have, eh?

Strontium Dog wrote:Unions rejecting an 11% pay rise so they can strike and destabilise a democratically-elected Tory government - it's like the 1970s all over again!

Stop lying. Thanks.

Strontium Dog wrote:Unions rejecting an 11% pay rise so they can strike and destabilise a democratically-elected Tory government - it's like the 1970s all over again!

Which Tory are you quoting here, it's not clear. Thanks.

Actually, the last time I saw a figure of 11% for a pay rise being quoted, it was the pay rise MPs were enjoying.

Just had an email from 38 degrees.

There might not be an election for a while, but being registered matters right now. The government is cutting the number of MPs and basing the cuts on how many people are registered - not actual population. So fewer people registered here could mean Birmingham loses out.

And if that wasn’t enough, not being registered to vote could also impact your credit rating. [3] This can make ordinary things like getting a phone contract, a credit card or buying a car more difficult.

https://speakout.38degrees.org.uk/campaigns/keep-your-vote

The government has recently switched to a new system of registering to vote, called "Individual Electoral Registration". The deadline for people to register under the new system is November 20th. Most people have been automatically registered - but an estimated 1.9 million people are still not registered and will be deleted from the register without their knowledge.

How does that work? If they are not on the register, by what criteria can they be deleted?
Seems like a bit of sharp practice going on here or maybe some misunderstanding.

I voted at the last election. How can I be de-registered?

Alan B wrote:Just had an email from 38 degrees.

There might not be an election for a while, but being registered matters right now. The government is cutting the number of MPs and basing the cuts on how many people are registered - not actual population. So fewer people registered here could mean Birmingham loses out.

And if that wasn’t enough, not being registered to vote could also impact your credit rating. [3] This can make ordinary things like getting a phone contract, a credit card or buying a car more difficult.

https://speakout.38degrees.org.uk/campaigns/keep-your-vote

The government has recently switched to a new system of registering to vote, called "Individual Electoral Registration". The deadline for people to register under the new system is November 20th. Most people have been automatically registered - but an estimated 1.9 million people are still not registered and will be deleted from the register without their knowledge.

How does that work? If they are not on the register, by what criteria can they be deleted?
Seems like a bit of sharp practice going on here or maybe some misunderstanding.

I voted at the last election. How can I be de-registered?

I'm not certain of the details but from what I've heard, if you were previously only registered under the household system (i.e. you didn't register individually online within the last year) and the government cannot verify your registration from tax records national insurance number etc. at your current address, then you get deleted. It's most likely to affect young people, renters, students.

You can always still register again, and there's not harm in re-registering online just to make sure. But basically it's targeting people less likely to vote Tory, and they're going base the boundary review on the new register meaning some non-Tory constituencies could potentially get wiped off the map.

It would be interesting to see if the mass voter registration gained momentum AFTER boundary changes and disgorged thousands of Labour voters into previous Tory safe seats.

Strontium Dog wrote:Unions rejecting an 11% pay rise so they can strike and destabilise a democratically-elected Tory government - it's like the 1970s all over again!

Yeah, doctors are a bunch of anarcho-syndicalist extremists hell bent on overthrowing the government and no mistake. How dare they object to the imposition of an effective 26% pay cut for new Junior Doctors from August 2016, the removal of the current banding arrangement, and an over-all change in working conditions including an imposed working week of 40 hours plus up to an additional 8 hours rostered at the basic rate? They must really hate freedom.

minininja wrote:
You can always still register again, and there's not harm in re-registering online just to make sure. But basically it's targeting people less likely to vote Tory, and they're going base the boundary review on the new register meaning some non-Tory constituencies could potentially get wiped off the map.

Yup. Although it was technically only introduced recently, I'm pretty sure it was implemented in Scotland after the referendum but before the GE in May, leading to many family members in houses where all had voted in the referendum finding some were now missing from the register. Last year it was a problem because at the time there was no online registration, the online page for Scottish postcodes just gave you the contact details for the local electoral registration office.

But the online registration system is live now for all parts of UK, and it works well, everyone should just be able to check they are on the register, if not just fill it in online. The only issue I've heard about - from my dad, ironically - is where someone adds themselves again but doesn't use the exact same form, in my dads case he ended up on it twice, one with his middle name and one without. But thats just cos he didnt check, he just added his name again.

Gideon osborne still isn't working:

Government borrowing worst October figure in six years

Public sector net borrowing (PSNB) rose £1.1bn compared with the same month a year ago to £8.2bn, the Office for National Statistics (ONS) said.

The government has now borrowed £54.3bn so far this year and is making slow progress on reaching its annual target.

The Office for Budget Responsibility (OBR) forecast borrowing of £69.5bn against £90.1bn a year ago.

...

Howard Archer chief UK and European economist at IHS Global Insight said: "George Osborne now has an almighty task to meet his fiscal targets for 2015/16.

" Indeed, if the pattern of the first seven months of the fiscal year continued, PSNB would amount to £80.3bn in 2015/16, which would mean that Mr. Osborne would overshoot by some £11bn the target of £69.5 billion contained in his July budget."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-34877455

It makes one wonder whether the tories' supporters will ever tire of their staggering economic incompetence.

ED209 wrote:

It makes one wonder whether the tories' supporters will ever tire of their staggering economic incompetence.

Luckily for them, any alternative means Foot, Marxism, and a silly beard. So Gideon's approach must be correct despite evidence.

And 1983.

Actually, speaking of which:

John McDonnell to unveil 'socialism with an iPad' economic plan

Shadow chancellor to outline Labour party’s plan to incentivise companies to invest their money and for UK to be capital of technology in Europe

John McDonnell, the shadow chancellor, will promise “socialism with an iPad” as he promises Labour will make the UK one of the world’s great technology centres but also provide security for the army of new workers, many self-employed, who have been casualised by the internet.

He will also set an objective that 3.5% of UK gross domestic product is spent on infrastructure, part of a move to what he describes a new strategic state...

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/201 ... nomic-plan

'Socialism with an ipad' makes me really sad that scot dutchy is currently unavailable to comment

We've already got 'government with an ipad', it's just that the ipad in question is dedicated to fruit ninja and chillaxing in oxfordshire.

ED209 wrote:Gideon osborne still isn't working:

Government borrowing worst October figure in six years

Public sector net borrowing (PSNB) rose £1.1bn compared with the same month a year ago to £8.2bn, the Office for National Statistics (ONS) said.

The government has now borrowed £54.3bn so far this year and is making slow progress on reaching its annual target.

The Office for Budget Responsibility (OBR) forecast borrowing of £69.5bn against £90.1bn a year ago.

...

Howard Archer chief UK and European economist at IHS Global Insight said: "George Osborne now has an almighty task to meet his fiscal targets for 2015/16.

" Indeed, if the pattern of the first seven months of the fiscal year continued, PSNB would amount to £80.3bn in 2015/16, which would mean that Mr. Osborne would overshoot by some £11bn the target of £69.5 billion contained in his July budget."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-34877455

It makes one wonder whether the tories' supporters will ever tire of their staggering economic incompetence.

No... the media have done a sterling job of ensuring that Labour are known as the economically incompetent thanks to the GFC hitting on their watch. But a similar thing happened in 92 with the pound which fucked up the tories credibility for a while. Probably helped the 97 result.