by CarlPierce wrote:I was stating the bleeding obvious point that democracy is a continuum from a single person having the only vote......to pure pr.
Distortions of pure democracy include electoral colleges and fptp.
But it's not a continuum, at least not to the extent you imagine. If a single person has "the only vote", you aren't dealing with a democracy.
Scot Dutchy wrote:So why is the Dutch pure PR system not democratic?
I suggest you ask whoever said it wasn't.
ronmcd wrote:
I disagree. My reason for thinking it will happen at some point is the generational aspect, but a victory for "No" does not implicity create conditions for another referendum, not at all. There are huge problems to holding another - you need a reason (brexit is an astonishingly huge and exceptional event, for example, it cant be expected to happen again) and you need a party with such a referendum in it's manifesto.
Those two things are, even if we accept SNP's current popularity, incredibly unlikely factors to re-occur quickly.
My point is simply that a victory for "No" leaves open the possibility of another referendum, in a way that, naturally, a victory for "Yes" does not, giving "Yes" unlimited spins of the wheel. And it really isn't a "huge problem" to come up with some sort of reason for holding one-having had a "once in a lifetime/generation" referendum in 2014, there's another one coming around within 5 years, because something-something-Brexit.
ronmcd wrote:It's worth remembering the Scottish Govt had no plans for a new referendum in their 2015 manifesto, there was no plan for one until brexit threw things into confusion. Even now, I doubt Sturgeon wants one, she'd rather we all stay in EU or the single market and build the case for independence over time.
The SNP's raison d'être is Scotland's becoming an independent country. There may have been no specific commitment laid out in their manifesto, and Sturgeon may have ideally wanted one later rather than sooner, but it was always on the cards.
Gotcha.
) article claiming "Scottish Nationalism IS racist, and if you disagree, you're racist, DON'T ARGUE WITH ME, I'M NOT LISTENING, *flounce temporarily off twitter to return the day before her next book launch*", was her claim that Scotland has refused to talk about or accept our role in the crimes of the Empire, slavery, etc.
