Destroyer wrote:

Fallible wrote:

Destroyer wrote:

GrahamH wrote:

Perhaps god is messing with his brain already.

That is a fact.

No, it is not a fact.

Not one that you are currently in the know of; that's for sure.

It's not a fact.

Fallible wrote:

Destroyer wrote:

Fallible wrote:

Destroyer wrote:
If someone who actually has faith in God - as an existent Being - also has arguments as to why God is corrupt and has no real influence in the phenomenal universe, should not that provoke thought?

Lol..? Non-believers say the same thing every day. Believers before you have done so too. Your "arguments" are not as innovative as you seem to think. I employ inverted commas because thus far I have seen nothing approaching an argument from you.

I now have quite a lot of posts on this particular forum. So, just because I have not explicitly defined God, in public, does not mean that I have made no arguments at all about existence.

How does that in any way follow on from what I said?

Well you said that so far you have seen nothing approaching an argument from me. I am telling you that I have made many such arguments, even without being publicly explicit about God.

Fallible wrote:

Destroyer wrote:

Fallible wrote:

Destroyer wrote:
That is a fact.

No, it is not a fact.

Not one that you are currently in the know of; that's for sure.

It's not a fact.

I am happy to allow you to assert your own ignorance, Fallible.

Destroyer wrote:

Matthew Shute wrote:

Destroyer wrote:

Cito di Pense wrote:

Well, then, you're a man of faith, aren't you? A hopeful fella. I could say a 'genuine' man of faith, just to underscore my point.

Yes, indeed!

Faith? That's what this whole idiotic brain-hijacking prophecy rests on? Well, here comes the most apt quote I can think of at the moment:

Nietzsche wrote:A casual stroll through the lunatic asylum shows that faith does not prove anything.

The quote is very apt. But let's not forget that the facts also need to be in support of any faith.

I'd sooner say that faith suffers when the facts contradict its articles. This probably explains why you continue to say what amounts to "one minus the cosine squared of gronk minus the sine squared of gronk".

Cito di Pense wrote:

Destroyer wrote:

Matthew Shute wrote:

Destroyer wrote:
Yes, indeed!

Faith? That's what this whole idiotic brain-hijacking prophecy rests on? Well, here comes the most apt quote I can think of at the moment:

Nietzsche wrote:A casual stroll through the lunatic asylum shows that faith does not prove anything.

The quote is very apt. But let's not forget that the facts also need to be in support of any faith.

I'd sooner say that faith suffers when the facts contradict its articles. This probably explains why you continue to say what amounts to "one minus the cosine squared of gronk minus the sine squared of gronk".

You do have a way with words, Cito. Meaningless or not.

ETA: Only faith in God as the ruler and Lord of this universe suffers from factual contradiction. But certainly not where I am coming from.

What about all the other universes?

Destroyer wrote:

Fallible wrote:

Destroyer wrote:

Fallible wrote:

No, it is not a fact.

Not one that you are currently in the know of; that's for sure.

It's not a fact.

I am happy to allow you to assert your own ignorance, Fallible.

That's good of you. It's still not a fact.

archibald wrote:What about all the other universes?

When they become established as fact, then how they function would need to be determined by the evidence. God, could have no control over them - as in this universe - if their existence was not fundamental.

Destroyer wrote:

archibald wrote:What about all the other universes?

When they become established as fact, then how they function would need to be determined by the evidence. God, could have no control over them - as in this universe - if their existence was not fundamental.

I see.

Oh, did I say to you yet? I'm god.

Destroyer wrote:

archibald wrote:What about all the other universes?

When they become established as fact, then how they function would need to be determined by the evidence. God, could have no control over them - as in this universe - if their existence was not fundamental.

God has no control?
What sort of god is that?
What of the brain control?
God has control only over that which is fundamental?

GrahamH wrote:

Destroyer wrote:

archibald wrote:What about all the other universes?

When they become established as fact, then how they function would need to be determined by the evidence. God, could have no control over them - as in this universe - if their existence was not fundamental.

God has no control?
What sort of god is that?
What of the brain control?
God has control only over that which is fundamental?

- A God who really exists cannot have control over illusory appearances (the phenomenal universe). God only controls actual existence (Himself).

- The brain functions by its own electrical impulses: Those electrical impulses are its control.

- What has actual existence is fundamental to existence (God). Not what merely appears to exist (the phenomenal universe).

Destroyer, your brain doesn't do anything without my say so. I'm the one who's been revealing myself to you. I made you choose that username. I made you come to this forum. I can prove it. I know exactly what you're going to say next, or should I more accurately say what I'm going to say next, through you.

archibald wrote:Destroyer, your brain doesn't do anything without my say so. I'm the one who's been revealing myself to you. I made you choose that username. I made you come to this forum. I can prove it. I know exactly what you're going to say next, or should I more accurately say what I'm going to say next, through you.

What more can I possibly say to that, archibald?

Destroyer wrote:
What more can I possibly say to that, archibald?

See. That's exactly, word for word, as per my transmission to your mind!

Seriously though, destroyer. I can't do this. I do actually think you may be somewhat delusional. Probably a really decent bloke, I'm sure, and I do mean that, but.....well, I'm out. Bye. May Dawkins bless you and all who sail in you. I hope you didn't mind me joshing.

archibald wrote:Seriously though, destroyer. I can't do this. I do actually think you may be delusional. Probably a really decent bloke, I'm sure, and I do mean that, but.....well, I'm out. Bye.

I have always liked you as well, archibald. I have a really bad case of the flu right now and your previous post did make me laugh out loud, even if I was expecting it.

Destroyer wrote:..... even if I was expecting it.

I see. So now YOU'RE sending messages to MY brain, is that it?

I knew it. I knew I wasn't nearly smart enough to have thought that all up on my own.

As the character Christopher Martin says at the key moment in the novel, 'Pincher Martin' by Wiliam Golding (you'd like it) 'I certainly couldn't have thought that!'.

When he realises he is confronted by god, and not his own thoughts, as it happens.

How do you control a brain? I want a piece of this action.

jamest wrote:How do you control a brain? I want a piece of this action.

Appeal to either greed or anxiety, which have been found to be the most effective motivators. If you're real nice to me, I'll explain how anxiety works itself out in altruism.

Ani Difranco says, "any tool is a weapon, if you hold it right".

Destroyer wrote:

GrahamH wrote:

Destroyer wrote:

archibald wrote:What about all the other universes?

When they become established as fact, then how they function would need to be determined by the evidence. God, could have no control over them - as in this universe - if their existence was not fundamental.

God has no control?
What sort of god is that?
What of the brain control?
God has control only over that which is fundamental?

- A God who really exists cannot have control over illusory appearances (the phenomenal universe). God only controls actual existence (Himself).

A 'god' that can't even control illusion is feeble thing indeed, unworthy of the name.
If 'god' has been talking to you he lied. That is no god.

Destroyer wrote:- The brain functions by its own electrical impulses: Those electrical impulses are its control.

You contradict yourself. Earlier you claimed god would control brains. Which is it?