Destroyer wrote:Quantum Mechanics and General Relativity just won't succumb to reconciliation, no matter how hard scientists strive... Maybe there really are two distinct behaviors within a single entity. How strange and irrational is that!!!

Destroyer wrote:
They can strive all they want! The models are already telling them all they will ever find out. Nature is paradoxical. It's appearance of uniformity is misleading.

SafeAsMilk wrote:Well as long as you've got yourself convinced then that's all that really matters then, eh.

Thommo wrote:

Destroyer wrote:Quantum Mechanics and General Relativity just won't succumb to reconciliation, no matter how hard scientists strive... Maybe there really are two distinct behaviors within a single entity. How strange and irrational is that!!!

If that was the case, the difference would be that one would observe particles behaving in accordance with General Relativity on very small (sub Planck length) scales and quantum effects on macroscopic scales.

What actually happens is that each theory is definable incorrect on those scales. There's no doubt which theory makes the correct predictions, only one accords with observation. This is not unlike Galilean Relativity disagreeing with Special Relativity at high speeds. All that happens is one theory is shown to be correct (or empirically adequate depending on one's philosophy of science).

Destroyer wrote:...
They can strive all they want!

The models are already telling them all they will ever find out.

Nature is paradoxical.

It's appearance of uniformity is misleading.

newolder wrote:

Destroyer wrote:...
They can strive all they want!

No need to shout. Still, I'll wager they feel better knowing that they have your permission to carry on.

The models are already telling them all they will ever find out.

Which models? Find out what?

Nature is paradoxical.

Paradoxes show where current understanding ends - they are fucking great!

It's appearance of uniformity is misleading.

What appearance of uniformity? Misleading to whom?

Destroyer wrote:
Nature appears to be homogeneous, does it not? That is misleading to ALL humanity! Paradoxes are great, I guess, if they are not masquerading for logic.

Destroyer wrote:

SafeAsMilk wrote:Well as long as you've got yourself convinced then that's all that really matters then, eh.

It is for now, that's for sure. In due course, though, everyone will be educated in accordance with the facts.

Destroyer wrote:

Thommo wrote:

Destroyer wrote:Quantum Mechanics and General Relativity just won't succumb to reconciliation, no matter how hard scientists strive... Maybe there really are two distinct behaviors within a single entity. How strange and irrational is that!!!

If that was the case, the difference would be that one would observe particles behaving in accordance with General Relativity on very small (sub Planck length) scales and quantum effects on macroscopic scales.

What actually happens is that each theory is definable incorrect on those scales. There's no doubt which theory makes the correct predictions, only one accords with observation. This is not unlike Galilean Relativity disagreeing with Special Relativity at high speeds. All that happens is one theory is shown to be correct (or empirically adequate depending on one's philosophy of science).

Not if One was simply disguised as the other.

SafeAsMilk wrote:

Destroyer wrote:

SafeAsMilk wrote:Well as long as you've got yourself convinced then that's all that really matters then, eh.

It is for now, that's for sure. In due course, though, everyone will be educated in accordance with the facts.

If you had any facts, you could do something other than beat your chest about how you'll be vindicated some day.

Thommo wrote:

Destroyer wrote:

Thommo wrote:

Destroyer wrote:Quantum Mechanics and General Relativity just won't succumb to reconciliation, no matter how hard scientists strive... Maybe there really are two distinct behaviors within a single entity. How strange and irrational is that!!!

If that was the case, the difference would be that one would observe particles behaving in accordance with General Relativity on very small (sub Planck length) scales and quantum effects on macroscopic scales.

What actually happens is that each theory is definable incorrect on those scales. There's no doubt which theory makes the correct predictions, only one accords with observation. This is not unlike Galilean Relativity disagreeing with Special Relativity at high speeds. All that happens is one theory is shown to be correct (or empirically adequate depending on one's philosophy of science).

Not if One was simply disguised as the other.

Yeah, but they aren't. That's the point, the predictions don't match observations under certain circumstances. If reality was both quantum and relativistic on those scales, then you'd have two sets of contradictory predictions both being true. What actually happens is a lot more mundane - one set fails.

Somehow you seem to have confused the conflicting predictions with conflicting observations.

Destroyer wrote:...
Nature appears to be homogeneous, does it not? That is misleading to ALL humanity! Paradoxes are great, I guess, if they are not being masqueraded as logic.

Edit: for clarity.

Truth is whichever Nature happens to be fundamental.

Destroyer wrote:

SafeAsMilk wrote:

Destroyer wrote:

SafeAsMilk wrote:Well as long as you've got yourself convinced then that's all that really matters then, eh.

It is for now, that's for sure. In due course, though, everyone will be educated in accordance with the facts.

If you had any facts, you could do something other than beat your chest about how you'll be vindicated some day.

In theory, I do agree with that. But there are legitimate grounds for privacy/secrecy, at present. For example, there are many top scientists who are now familiar with my argument via private communication.

Destroyer wrote:
For example, there are many top scientists who are now familiar with my argument via private communication.

newolder wrote:

Destroyer wrote:...
Nature appears to be homogeneous, does it not? That is misleading to ALL humanity! Paradoxes are great, I guess, if they are not being masqueraded as logic.

Edit: for clarity.

Earlier:

Truth is whichever Nature happens to be fundamental.

Truth is inhomogeneous? All is clear.

Sendraks wrote:
"Oh no, not another e-mail from this crackpot again" said the top scientist looking at her in-box. She was honestly boggled as to why she kept receiving the communications from this person, when what they were proposing was painfully apparent from the outset and the further messages seemed to only be repetitively asserting the same point over and over, without supply any evidence.

SafeAsMilk wrote:

Destroyer wrote:

SafeAsMilk wrote:

Destroyer wrote:
It is for now, that's for sure. In due course, though, everyone will be educated in accordance with the facts.

If you had any facts, you could do something other than beat your chest about how you'll be vindicated some day.

In theory, I do agree with that. But there are legitimate grounds for privacy/secrecy, at present. For example, there are many top scientists who are now familiar with my argument via private communication.

I'm starting to suspect this is all a conspiracy by Reynolds Wrap to sell more tin foil.

Destroyer wrote:
Maybe so. Time will tell.

Destroyer wrote:

SafeAsMilk wrote:

Destroyer wrote:

SafeAsMilk wrote:
If you had any facts, you could do something other than beat your chest about how you'll be vindicated some day.

In theory, I do agree with that. But there are legitimate grounds for privacy/secrecy, at present. For example, there are many top scientists who are now familiar with my argument via private communication.

I'm starting to suspect this is all a conspiracy by Reynolds Wrap to sell more tin foil.

Maybe so. Time will tell.