So why don't you link to this alleged mathematical proof?
And why exactly are we on panpsychism now?
Frozenworld wrote:But I do understand first order logic which is why I can say there is nothing to really predicate your claim about an external reality. I showed that with the trilemma, you have no leg to stand on.
Do you really think you're fooling anyone here with your empty declarations?
i) You can assert you understand logic, but when you show otherwise, the proof is in the pudding.
ii) You are lying again when you claim that there are no means to validate the concept of an external reality - your denial/refusal to accept them doesn't mean they don't exist - you are not the arbiter, especially given your inability to engage in reason and logic.
iii) You showed the 'trilemma' (which you finally spelled correctly) but you merely assert that it's the case without bothering yourself with showing how it works.
iv) It's you who has shown, time and again throughout this thread, that you simply lack the ability to engage in any substance of the discussion - for example, how you keep asserting you can know you exist, but then failing to write anything other than that assertion.
You need a much softer audience for selling this pap, chap.
Frozenworld wrote:So far science hasn’t show aspects of existence to be mind dependent. Everything seems to function independently of the mind.
Got QM?
If you’re gonna cite physics you need math. Otherwise there is no reason to take you seriously. Even philosophers know that the interpretations mean little unless you understand the math behind them.
You need math, apparently you identify and feel safe with quantification. I don’t need no stinkin’ math. Philosophers don’t need math either and their interpretations aren’t necessarily conducive to numbers.
Superposition does not apply at all to what you are saying. It’s just addition of two states that yield another state. It has no application whatsoever to solipsism.
You clearly have no clue about superposition or solipsism despite your baseless assertions
All you do is bark assertions without evidence or explanation and when questioned say folks “don’t understand”. There is little value in talking to you because you clearly dont know what you’re talking about or even citing.
See — you are projecting your perceptions . It’s you who clearly don’t know what you are talking about although you believe you do. Why do you want to talk to someone anyway if you can eke no value from them.
The definition of solipsism directly conflicts with your “Thesis” (such as it is). You are asserting other minds, therefor it isn’t solipsism.
Your definition claims to conflict with mine. I posit other minds in superposition which are mind dependent. It doesn’t contradict solipsism at all.
Another point to add how you have no legs to stand on.
Yet another example of how you ignore substantive criticism, quoting several hundred words that you don't even reply to, and simply make another confident declaration.
Frozenworld wrote:It is true, indeed it is tautologous, to say that all I know falls ... within my experience; that all I know is only known to me as object of my intelligence. But this only means that I can only know it in so far as I subject it to forms projected by my intelligence. It does not mean that its existence depends on my intelligence. Its existence, its givenness, is always there, staring me in the face, pressing in upon me. My very body; my impulses, my cravings, my pangs and my exhilarations; the whole of my being in so far as it is in any way objective, is given, and the function of my intelligence is to redeem that givenness by conferring upon it forms that transform it into intelligible experience indissolubly bound up with the subject: to redeem it, I say, not to negate it.
What is this "IT"? You are assuming there is some thing out there projecting on to you. Why is the function of intelligence to redeem what this alleged IT is giving to you. You keep alluding to something you cannot confirm, it could just be you making all this happen. IT's the same nonsense people who resist solipsism try to say.
Which 'IT' - there are many uses of the pronoun in that paragraph, most of them are what is known in English as a 'dummy pronoun'.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dummy_pronounA dummy pronoun is a deictic pronoun that fulfills a syntactical requirement without providing a contextually explicit meaning of its referent...
A dummy pronoun is used when a particular verb argument (or preposition) is nonexistent (it could also be unknown, irrelevant, already understood, or otherwise "not to be spoken of directly") but when a reference to the argument (a pronoun) is nevertheless syntactically required. For example, in the phrase "It is obvious that the violence will continue", it is a dummy pronoun, not referring to any agent. Unlike a regular pronoun of English, it cannot be replaced by any noun phrase.
Is that the 'it' you're talking about?
Regardless, how is this supposed to have anything at all to do with the argument, and how are you convincing yourself that this somehow cements your position?
It's perverse, FW. You're so desperate to confirm your bias, you're now reading nonsense into 2 letter pronouns.