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asdfjkl wrote:BTW here I'm talking about not whether what you experience is "real" but whether you actually experience what you experience.
Regina wrote:Lobar wrote:Cito di Pense wrote:
Yes, well, your assumption that those subjective experiences are the only evident/irrefutable things is what leads you to think that subjective experiences are the only thing that exists. You have one kind of faulty thinking producing another, and we'll just agree to let that be your own show. Enough already with making your conclusion of solipsism from a faulty premise anyone's problem but your own. Your faulty premises are only irrefutable if you are already a solipsist. You're going in circles.
I will side with asdfjkl on this one. How would you refute subjective experiences? It seems pretty certain to me that I am looking at what seems to be my laptop right now. At least an image that looks like a physical laptop. How can I possibly refute that?
And I don't see why refutability has to deal with one person refuting another person.
Read the first sentence in Cito's post again. There's a reason why he uses italics.
Lobar wrote:
Well, then what other things are certain, that help avoid solipsism?
Weaver wrote:Of course you actually experience what you experience - by definition.
asdfjkl wrote:BTW here I'm talking about not whether what you experience is "real" but whether you actually experience what you experience.
Thommo wrote:As a figment of your imagination, I don't see how I can have any experiences at all, let alone actual ones.
pl0bs wrote:Eliminative materialists are free to deny that consciousness exists. They just have to accept a little collateral damage, that science doesnt exist either.
Weaver wrote:Of course you actually experience what you experience - by definition.
asdfjkl wrote:OK but the issue here is whether there is a "not evident" for "evident". I know that I am a limited set, that's about it.
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