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Re: Tory Party watch

#2661  Postby mcgruff » Nov 23, 2015 6:43 pm

Calilasseia wrote:Tory Minister Robert Halfon Charges Taxpayer £30,000 For 'Secret Meetings' With Mistress

A Conservative minister charged taxpayers tens of thousands of pounds to stay at a private members club where he would allegedly meet his mistress.



To be honest it sounds like he does have a valid reason for overnight stays - which he is allowed to claim for. It wouldn't be a taxpayer-funded affair unless the sole reason for staying at the members' club was to hook up.
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#2662  Postby ED209 » Nov 23, 2015 6:49 pm

Well, there is this:

EIM31660 - The general rule for employees’ expenses: wholly and exclusively

To be deductible from the earnings of an employment an expense must be incurred wholly and exclusively in the performance of the duties of the employment. The words "wholly" and "exclusively" prevent a deduction for expenditure that serves a dual purpose, a business purpose and a non-business purpose....
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Re: Tory Party watch

#2663  Postby Calilasseia » Nov 23, 2015 7:04 pm

mcgruff wrote:
Calilasseia wrote:Tory Minister Robert Halfon Charges Taxpayer £30,000 For 'Secret Meetings' With Mistress

A Conservative minister charged taxpayers tens of thousands of pounds to stay at a private members club where he would allegedly meet his mistress.



To be honest it sounds like he does have a valid reason for overnight stays - which he is allowed to claim for. It wouldn't be a taxpayer-funded affair unless the sole reason for staying at the members' club was to hook up.


Except that, oh wait, how many disabled benefit claimants would end up in prison if they tried claiming for overnight stays at exclusive posh clubs? Other than Tory MPs of course? Do you think your average guy in a wheelchair in Manchester or Hull would be allowed to do this? No, what would happen would be that the Daily Mail would fire up its hate propaganda at a febrile rate that would be indicative of the requisite right-wing journalists masturbating over the prospect of shitting on the poor again, the individuals in question would be facing soap on a rope in Strangeways faster than you can say "Norman Stanley Fletcher", followed by another round of brutal benefit cuts described as being to deal with yet more "scroungers", followed in turn by Iain Duncan Shit squirming and scheming to keep the fact that yet more thousands had died before their time from public scrutiny.

Why can't he stay in a YMCA instead of a fucking posh Tory club? The one I stayed in during a trip to Cambridge for medical reasons was perfectly adequate, and that was after a 200 mile train journey lasting five hours, not a fucking short hop across two London districts.
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Re: Tory Party watch

#2664  Postby mcgruff » Nov 23, 2015 8:31 pm

ED209 wrote:Well, there is this:

EIM31660 - The general rule for employees’ expenses: wholly and exclusively

To be deductible from the earnings of an employment an expense must be incurred wholly and exclusively in the performance of the duties of the employment. The words "wholly" and "exclusively" prevent a deduction for expenditure that serves a dual purpose, a business purpose and a non-business purpose....


OK. Setting aside the fact that shafting the electorate is exactly what tories think they're employed to do, that doesn't seem to allow for assignations.
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#2665  Postby mcgruff » Nov 23, 2015 8:32 pm

Calilasseia wrote:Why can't he stay in a YMCA instead of a fucking posh Tory club? The one I stayed in during a trip to Cambridge for medical reasons was perfectly adequate, and that was after a 200 mile train journey lasting five hours, not a fucking short hop across two London districts.


Is £90 a night unreasonable for London?
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#2666  Postby mattthomas » Nov 23, 2015 9:19 pm

mcgruff wrote:
Calilasseia wrote:Why can't he stay in a YMCA instead of a fucking posh Tory club? The one I stayed in during a trip to Cambridge for medical reasons was perfectly adequate, and that was after a 200 mile train journey lasting five hours, not a fucking short hop across two London districts.


Is £90 a night unreasonable for London?

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#2667  Postby THWOTH » Nov 23, 2015 11:36 pm

Will we be seeing a classic News International Mellor/Parkinson-style kiss-and-tell by the end of the week? Where's the News Of The World when you need them? Oh, hang on... Where's Max Clifford when you need him? Ah, never mind...
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#2668  Postby ED209 » Nov 25, 2015 10:37 am

George Osborne plans to breach Treasury welfare spending cap
Chancellor has concluded the department cannot find enough savings to compensate for decision to slow pace of cuts to tax credits

George Osborne has set in train plans to breach the Treasury’s welfare cap after deciding he cannot find enough savings to compensate for the decision to slow the pace of cuts to tax credits.

The chancellor has held discussions with the Department for Work and Pensions (DWP) to arrange a Commons vote that would give the government permission to breach the cap.

The vote will be passed by MPs but the decision is likely to be seen as a political embarrassment for Osborne since he largely invented the self-imposed cap in the last parliament as a trap to show Labour is lax on welfare spending. In the end the shadow chancellor, Ed Balls, embraced the cap...


http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015 ... ending-cap

Gideon digs trap for labour, then immediately flings himself into it :lol:

He's a genius you know.
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Re: Tory Party watch

#2669  Postby Sendraks » Nov 25, 2015 11:01 am

Big cuts coming to social care funding as well, because apparently that sector isn't financially close to the bone enough for George. I'd expect to see at least a couple of the bigger providers pull out of the market after the SR announcements, which is going to put the care of thousands of people into jeopardy.
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#2670  Postby ronmcd » Nov 25, 2015 11:36 am

I see Polly Toynbee on BBC at the moment, suggesting - probably spot on - that this statement will effectively be the end of social housing, destroying the housing associations and council housing, and continuing to boost the private housing bubble.

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#2671  Postby ronmcd » Nov 25, 2015 11:38 am

Sendraks wrote:Big cuts coming to social care funding as well, because apparently that sector isn't financially close to the bone enough for George. I'd expect to see at least a couple of the bigger providers pull out of the market after the SR announcements, which is going to put the care of thousands of people into jeopardy.

I read somewhere yesterday (cant remember where, I'm in a pre xmas work rush haze mixed with coffee and alcohol) that Gideon's increased spending on NHS this week was cover for reducing spending on *prevention*. Which, of course, will cost the NHS more.

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#2672  Postby Sendraks » Nov 25, 2015 11:45 am

ronmcd wrote:
I read somewhere yesterday (cant remember where, I'm in a pre xmas work rush haze mixed with coffee and alcohol) that Gideon's increased spending on NHS this week was cover for reducing spending on *prevention*. Which, of course, will cost the NHS more.


I wouldn't necessarily say that social care is prevention, but reductions to social care spend will mean reduced capacity across the sector to care for people, especially individuals who have complex health needs. This will inevitably mean that more people spend time in hospitals receiving care, when they might otherwise be in a care home. People will get more frequently pushed from hospital to care home and back again, just to ensure that they get the multi-disciplinary care that they need.

Its going to be an absolute fucking nightmare.
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#2673  Postby ronmcd » Nov 25, 2015 11:50 am

Yes, he's going to pass the social care responsibility - without cash - to local govt, which is being crushed itself. None of it makes sense except as ideological bollocks.
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#2674  Postby GrahamH » Nov 25, 2015 11:54 am

ronmcd wrote:Yes, he's going to pass the social care responsibility - without cash - to local govt, which is being crushed itself. None of it makes sense except as ideological bollocks.


I guess we can expect another angry letter from the MP for Witney to his local council...
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#2675  Postby ED209 » Nov 25, 2015 11:55 am

Remember - if it isn't hurting, then tories can't wank off to it.
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#2676  Postby THWOTH » Nov 25, 2015 12:38 pm

ronmcd wrote:I see Polly Toynbee on BBC at the moment, suggesting - probably spot on - that this statement will effectively be the end of social housing, destroying the housing associations and council housing, and continuing to boost the private housing bubble.

Fuckers.

This seems totally counter-productive to the stated aim of widening access to affordable accommodation. Re-classifying Housing Associations as public bodies, and then shifting them off the public books to subsidise a few lucky first-time buyers, under 40, with a deposit, isn't going to make housing more affordable, available, or mitigate the estimated housing deficit of 750,000 homes - 500,000 of which are in the SouthEast. All it's doing is taking a substantial amount of affordable rented properties out of the market, and forcing those who may have had access to those properties into the arms of private sector landlords.
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#2677  Postby Sendraks » Nov 25, 2015 12:42 pm

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and forcing those who may have had access to those properties into the arms of private sector landlords.


That's pretty much all that will happen. Housing Association stock enters the open market, bought by landlords, rented at a premium. Supply of available houses doesn't increase. House prices continue to increase. Rents continue to increase.

As far as the Tories are concerned......."we heard that some people are making money at the expense of other people as a result of our policies, we don't understand why this is a problem."
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#2678  Postby mattthomas » Nov 25, 2015 12:44 pm

and thus continues the cycle of swapping political parties in power every 10 years or so...
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Re: Tory Party watch

#2679  Postby ED209 » Nov 25, 2015 2:08 pm

It's all fun and games, isn't it:

Labour furious over timing of Jeremy Corbyn Syria briefing

Opposition accuses No 10 of ‘outrageous’ games after offer of airstrikes meeting coinciding with autumn statement


Labour has reacted with fury after Jeremy Corbyn was invited to a government security briefing on airstrikes in Syria with just 12 hours’ notice and at a time that clashes with the autumn statement.

Senior Labour aides accused No 10 of playing “outrageous political games” after Cabinet Office officials offered Corbyn and his team a briefing at a time he was clearly unable to attend.

David Cameron has said he plans to stage a quick Commons vote on extending airstrikes in Syria next week. He will make an oral statement to MPs this Thursday and then ask them to consider his proposals over the weekend before going to a full debate and vote.

It would be convention for the leader of the opposition to receive a fuller security briefing before then, so that he and his shadow cabinet can come to a collective decision about whether to back airstrikes and whether MPs will be given a free vote.

The government had already given a security briefing on Tuesday to the DUP, which has eight MPs, about the case for UK airstrikes against Isis to be extended to Syria.

After Labour said it had not received an invitation to such a briefing, it is understood the Cabinet Office sent an email at 8.11pm on Tuesday night to Corbyn’s secretary inviting his team to Whitehall for a discussion about military action between 11.30am and 1pm the next day.

At that time, Corbyn and his entire shadow cabinet were to be at prime minister’s questions, followed by the autumn statement.

On Tuesday night, the Cabinet Office insisted Corbyn had been offered a briefing, but Hilary Benn, the shadow foreign secretary, was unaware of the late invitation, so it was reported as a split between Benn and Corbyn.

A senior Labour aide claimed this was a deliberate attempt by No 10 to manufacture a division between the two men...


http://www.theguardian.com/politics/201 ... -statement

This is how the tories go about taking us to war - with puerile dumbfuckery. Remember this when cameron wraps himself in the union jack at the cenotaph. Remember this when they want to spend billions on nuclear weapons that cameron is proud to tell us that he would merrily launch. Remember this when they sneer at labour calls to negotiate a coalition of regional powers to build the army that will defeat ISIS. Remember this when the civilian toll of tory posturing comes to light.
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#2680  Postby Alan B » Nov 25, 2015 2:36 pm

Tax Credit cut scrapped - BBC live.
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