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Re: NASA's next big announcement coming up!

#41  Postby Beatrice » Dec 02, 2010 8:11 pm

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Re: Arsenic-munching germ redefines "life as we know it"

#42  Postby Will S » Dec 02, 2010 8:33 pm

On a point of information, which I can't find in any of the reports I've found:

In the DNA of these bacteria, is it simply a question of arsenic being substituted for phosphorus, or is the genetic code itself fundamentally different?

Does anybody know? Because the answer would seem to have a huge impact on the significance of this particular discovery.
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Re: NASA's next big announcement coming up!

#43  Postby lucek » Dec 02, 2010 8:37 pm

Macros1980 wrote:Just watched the press conference. It sounds pretty exciting. Basically, based upon the evidence found in this research, the scope for finding extra-terrestrial life just got quite a bit bigger!

Some of the journalists who asked questions of the panel seemed pretty disguntled that the scientists didn't have ET up there on stage with them! One guy's question basically ammounted to "What do you have to say to all the people who thought you'd found an alien?" :doh:

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Re: NASA's next big announcement coming up!

#44  Postby Jain » Dec 02, 2010 8:43 pm

Macros1980 wrote:Just watched the press conference. It sounds pretty exciting. Basically, based upon the evidence found in this research, the scope for finding extra-terrestrial life just got quite a bit bigger!

Some of the journalists who asked questions of the panel seemed pretty disguntled that the scientists didn't have ET up there on stage with them! One guy's question basically ammounted to "What do you have to say to all the people who thought you'd found an alien?" :doh:


Where can we find a link to the press conference?
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Re: NASA's next big announcement coming up!

#45  Postby Macros1980 » Dec 02, 2010 8:49 pm

Jain wrote:
Macros1980 wrote:Just watched the press conference. It sounds pretty exciting. Basically, based upon the evidence found in this research, the scope for finding extra-terrestrial life just got quite a bit bigger!

Some of the journalists who asked questions of the panel seemed pretty disguntled that the scientists didn't have ET up there on stage with them! One guy's question basically ammounted to "What do you have to say to all the people who thought you'd found an alien?" :doh:


Where can we find a link to the press conference?


Err... Not sure, I'm afraid. We streamed it live from the CNN website when NASA's own stream didn't work. It might show up on youtube, I suppose.
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Re: NASA's next big announcement coming up!

#46  Postby Jain » Dec 02, 2010 8:58 pm

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hu5dXnCUs7I[/youtube] :thumbup:
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Re: NASA's next big announcement coming up!

#47  Postby Someone » Dec 02, 2010 9:03 pm

http://www.astrobio.net/exclusive/3698/ ... on-arsenic

The really technical article in Science isn't available without subscription, but it's something.
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NASA discovers all-new form of life

#48  Postby CIS » Dec 02, 2010 9:15 pm

http://news.cnet.com/8301-13772_3-20024450-52.html

NASA scientists have discovered an entirely new form of life that shares no biological building blocks with anything currently known on Earth, the agency said today.

In a press conference held at NASA's Washington D.C. headquarters, scientists announced that they had discovered a new form of bacteria, known as GFAJ-1, in California's Mono Lake that has DNA completely foreign to anything ever before found on Earth. It substitutes arsenic at the DNA level for phosphorus.

That would distinguish it from every other form of life known to man, all of which, no matter how diverse, is comprised of the same six elements, phosphorus, sulfur, carbon, hydrogen, oxygen, and nitrogen. But the bacteria found in Mono Lake--which is known for its unusual chemistry, including very high levels of salinity, alkalinity, and arsenic--is made partly of arsenic, and has no phosphorus in its DNA.

"We've discovered an organism that can substitute one element for another," said Felisa Wolfe-Simon, a NASA astrobiology research fellow at the U.S. Geological Survey in Menlo Park, Calif. "We've cracked open the door to what's possible for life elsewhere in the universe.

Although there had been speculation that NASA's announcement would revolve around life--perhaps bacteria--found elsewhere, such as Mars, the news does keep us here on Earth.

But Wolfe-Simon said that by discovering a microbe that has a new form of DNA, it forces scientists to question what they've long held as true--that all life was based on the same six components.

"The newly discovered microbe, strain GFAJ-1, is a member of a common group of bacteria, the Gammaproteobacteria," NASA wrote in a release. "In the laboratory, the researchers successfully grew microbes from the lake on a diet that was very lean on phosphorus, but included generous helpings of arsenic. When researchers removed the phosphorus and replaced it with arsenic, the microbes continued to grow. Subsequent analyses indicated that the arsenic was being used to produce the building blocks of new GFAJ-1 cells."

NASA feels that this discovery is important because it will help scientists with many areas of future research, such as the "study of Earth's evolution, organic chemistry, biogeochemical cycles, disease mitigation, and Earth system research. These findings also will open up new frontiers in microbiology and other areas of research."
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Re: NASA discovers all-new form of life

#49  Postby JQisAwesome » Dec 02, 2010 9:25 pm

Wow.

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Re: Arsenic-munching germ redefines "life as we know it"

#50  Postby Calilasseia » Dec 02, 2010 9:26 pm

From the actual paper ...

Life is mostly composed of the elements carbon, hydrogen, nitrogen, oxygen, sulfur, and phosphorus. Although these six elements make up nucleic acids, proteins, and lipids and thus the bulk of living matter, it is theoretically possible that some other elements in the periodic table could serve the same functions. Here, we describe a bacterium, strain GFAJ-1 of the Halomonadaceae, isolated from Mono Lake, California, which substitutes arsenic for phosphorus to sustain its growth. Our data show evidence for arsenate in macromolecules that normally contain phosphate, most notably nucleic acids and proteins. Exchange of one of the major bioelements may have profound evolutionary and geochemical significance.
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Re: Arsenic-munching germ redefines "life as we know it"

#51  Postby twistor59 » Dec 02, 2010 9:29 pm

Pretty exciting stuff. (Even if I was hoping for a Horta).
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Re: Arsenic-munching germ redefines "life as we know it"

#52  Postby Someone » Dec 02, 2010 9:30 pm

There's no indication that the base-pairs and how they code for amino acids is changed. I imagine that the particular species of bacteria has some adaptive change related to the substitution, and so the genome is somehow diffferent from its closest non-extremophilic relatives in some salient ways, but nothing as bizarre the person who asked is inquiring about.

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Re: NASA discovers all-new form of life

#53  Postby Ironclad » Dec 02, 2010 9:33 pm

May I ask, as life climbed out of the soup and advanced across the planet so so long ago, our heritage if you will - can/is life still doing this? I mean, from the building blocks upwards.
Is this what is being described in the OP, or do we have to assume exobiology?
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Re: Arsenic-munching germ redefines "life as we know it"

#54  Postby Rumraket » Dec 02, 2010 9:37 pm

As I understand it, it has not yet been completely substantiated that these bacteria have completely substituted Phosphorous with Arsenic, in their DNA.
In the press conference she had a short discussion with another scientist present(a chemist) who urged caution in jumping to conclusions, and mentioned a couple of experiments he would like to see done before the claim could be unambigously made.

She mentioned that she had sent samples for genome sequencing and crystal structure determination to colleagues for elucidaton.

From what I could gather from the press conference, she claimed the bacteria was capable of growing in standard mediums with Phosphorous completely lacking and substituted with Arsenic instead.
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Re: NASA's next big announcement coming up!

#55  Postby Macroinvertebrate » Dec 02, 2010 9:49 pm

Macros1980 wrote: "What do you have to say to all the people who thought you'd found an alien?"


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Re: NASA discovers all-new form of life

#56  Postby Sityl » Dec 02, 2010 9:55 pm

I didn't see it clearly defined in the report whether this is the result of evolutionary change or a completely seperate abiogenesis. Does anyone know?
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Re: Arsenic-munching germ redefines "life as we know it"

#57  Postby Someone » Dec 02, 2010 9:57 pm

It looks to me as though it's pretty much a fait accompli and all that's still being done is just nailing it down entirely. There are also supposed to be a number of other cultures with other organisms in the process of being researched for the same characterization.
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Re: NASA discovers all-new form of life

#58  Postby JQisAwesome » Dec 02, 2010 9:59 pm

Sityl wrote:I didn't see it clearly defined in the report whether this is the result of evolutionary change or a completely seperate abiogenesis. Does anyone know?


How could we know?

Without a fossil record, evolutionary history is always determined using traditional DNA sequencing - in this case - the one thing we don't have!
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Re: NASA discovers all-new form of life

#59  Postby JQisAwesome » Dec 02, 2010 10:00 pm

Is it just me or this story a really, really big deal?
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Re: NASA discovers all-new form of life

#60  Postby Jörmungandr » Dec 02, 2010 10:12 pm

JQisAwesome wrote:Is it just me or this story a really, really big deal?



Discovery of a new form of life with a genetic chemistry different from every other life form we know of? How blasé.
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