theropod wrote:Wortfish wrote:laklak wrote:We're sho' nuff Renaissance peeps 'round these parts.
I find it interesting that when some dude decides to become religious (or has a cerebral event or whatever causes it) it's major news in Creationist circles, but when hundreds of thousands of people abandon religion it isn't.
I suspect very few formerly religious people lost their faith by examining all of the scientific evidence.
ALL of the scientific evidence? This is not possible for any one human being to accomplish. For this formerly ordained minister in a fundamentalist sect of Christianity all it took was being exposed to the facts surrounding the fossil record. I went to a nearby university to my own which had a really good section of their library devoted to the geology of my state. When I learned how to to apply critical examination to the support for deep time and the force of evolution acting across the entire biosphere I became convinced that the allegorical language of the Bible is a weak attempt to conjure up a way imagined to escape mortality. It is at the root of all faith. When we became aware that we are mortal creatures it was only a matter of time until someone came up with religious myths that provide a “get-out-of-jail-free” card if rules are followed. One of the rules is to never question the religion.
The entomologist of the OP, curiously, agrees with you and with the scientific consensus in the area where he is an expert, that dragonflies evolved in deep time. Quoting again from his website
here (I quoted this earlier in post #52, though as far as I can tell the quote's now been deleted on his website, along with any mention of the bacterial flagellum. The only vaguely scientific reasons against evolutionary theory currently mentioned on his website, as far as I can tell, are 'the "
waiting time problem" and discontinuities in the fossil record', neither of which strikes me as especially forceful.):
Günter Bechly wrote:I see neither any scientific nor theological reasons to dispute the conventional dating of the age of the universe and Earth, or the conventional explanations for the origin of the geological column and the fossil record.
It's the evolution of the bacterial flagellum, where he's not an expert, which seems to have given him the excuse he wanted for creationist belief. The "waiting time problem" seems to be a variant on a standard Intelligent Design attempt to show that evolution needed far longer than available to happen, it uses mathematics with questionable assumptions in an area in which, again, Dr Bechly is not an expert. Another variant of the same argument is debunked
here. It's anybody's guess how a respected paleontologist comes to cite discontinuities in the fossil record as evidence against evolution. Günter Bechly's website appears to be under construction, he may come up with more scientific evidence later.
His spiritual journey (on his website
here) doesn't seem to have involved much in the way of examining scientific evidence, but rather a general search for something that would allow for the existence of objective morality and a special place for human reason:
Günter Bechly wrote:I came to realize fundamental philosophical problems concerning time, causality, and the effectiveness of mathematics, as well as the hard problem of consciousness, the problem to explain intentionality and reason, as well as objective morality. This led to a spiritual journey over about 15 years in search for a coherent world view involving temporary commitments to very different views like mathematical monism (Max Tegmark), pantheistic neopaganism, non-dualism (Advaita Vedanta) and neoperennial integral thought (Ken Wilber), Whiteheadian panentheistic process thought, Nietzschean flux, quantum mysticism with monistic idealism (Amit Goswami), Neoplatonism with objective idealism (John Leslie), deism, and finally a generic philosophical / classical theism. After some time of denominational confusion (I thoroughly evaluated the pro and con arguments for Christianity, esp. Roman Catholic and Reformed theology, as well as Biblical exegesis and history) I settled for Roman Catholic Christianity with Aristotelian-Thomist hylemorphism as metaphysics.