Is evolution just a hunch and a line of reasoning?

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Re: Is evolution just a hunch and a line of reasoning?

#581  Postby mindhack » Dec 12, 2011 12:52 pm

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chairman bill wrote:I'm still reeling from the thought that Atheistoclast is a product of my mind. I'm going to try really, really hard to think him out of existence. brb


You can't, because the Creator....

where?

....has implanted the thought...

How?

...of my existence in your mind....

Don't be silly. You're typing considerable nonsense on rational skepticism.org for people to read

I dwell in your mind and you in my own.

Your nonsensical ramblings are skimmed through and labeled as nonsense, then, after hilarity (if any) has settled, thown into the "useless-info' bin. No atheistoclast is dwelling in anyone's mind.

I am here to stay. Sorry.

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Re: Is evolution just a hunch and a line of reasoning?

#582  Postby Varangian » Dec 12, 2011 12:52 pm

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chairman bill wrote:I'm still reeling from the thought that Atheistoclast is a product of my mind. I'm going to try really, really hard to think him out of existence. brb


You can't, because the Creator has implanted the thought of my existence in your mind. I dwell in your mind and you in my own.

I am here to stay. Sorry.

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Re: Is evolution just a hunch and a line of reasoning?

#583  Postby chairman bill » Dec 12, 2011 12:55 pm

Right. All thoughts of wotsisname are gone from my head. Where were we?
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Re: Is evolution just a hunch and a line of reasoning?

#584  Postby ramseyoptom » Dec 12, 2011 1:27 pm

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If you want to be taken seriously by a peer-reviewed researcher like myself, then you have to either publish or perish.


And just because something is published in a peer-reviewed journal still doesn't mean to say it is not complete crap. I will just remind you of three letters "MMR" - and looked how that turned out for the author.
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Re: Is evolution just a hunch and a line of reasoning?

#585  Postby Atheistoclast » Dec 12, 2011 1:46 pm

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If you want to be taken seriously by a peer-reviewed researcher like myself, then you have to either publish or perish.


And just because something is published in a peer-reviewed journal still doesn't mean to say it is not complete crap. I will just remind you of three letters "MMR" - and looked how that turned out for the author.


I will be interested if Calilasseia will decide to join the big league of science and submit a manuscript to Evolutionary Ecology. I think he is capable of writing a perspective, review or commentary even if he is not in a position to do research.
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Re: Is evolution just a hunch and a line of reasoning?

#586  Postby Agrippina » Dec 12, 2011 3:32 pm

Atheistoclast wrote:For the benefit of Calilasseia I am making a helpful suggestion:

If you have really read over 2,000 papers on evolutionary biology, then you are at a stage where you ought to commit this knowledge as a perspective or review article. Given your fascination with fish and their ecology, I think the following journal run by Professor John Endler is a good place to submit a manuscript (there are no author charges):

Evolutionary Ecology (published by Springer-Verlag)

http://www.springer.com/life+sciences/e ... rnal/10682

If you want to be taken seriously by a peer-reviewed researcher like myself, then you have to either publish or perish.


*Waiting with bated breath for the response to this post* :what:
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Re: Is evolution just a hunch and a line of reasoning?

#587  Postby Agrippina » Dec 12, 2011 3:34 pm

O-M-G!!!! I can't wait. The an-ti-ci-pa-tion is killing me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Re: Is evolution just a hunch and a line of reasoning?

#588  Postby Regina » Dec 12, 2011 3:46 pm

Athie wrote:
You can't, because the Creator has implanted the thought of my existence in your mind. I dwell in your mind and you in my own.

I am here to stay. Sorry.


So you are just a thought? I guess I can deal with that. But if you have no material form, how do you write your papers? Do you live inside your computer's hard drive, perhaps?
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Re: Is evolution just a hunch and a line of reasoning?

#589  Postby ramseyoptom » Dec 12, 2011 3:48 pm

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ramseyoptom wrote:
Atheistoclast wrote:

If you want to be taken seriously by a peer-reviewed researcher like myself, then you have to either publish or perish.


And just because something is published in a peer-reviewed journal still doesn't mean to say it is not complete crap. I will just remind you of three letters "MMR" - and looked how that turned out for the author.


I will be interested if Calilasseia will decide to join the big league of science and submit a manuscript to Evolutionary Ecology. I think he is capable of writing a perspective, review or commentary even if he is not in a position to do research.



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Re: Is evolution just a hunch and a line of reasoning?

#590  Postby mindhack » Dec 12, 2011 4:12 pm

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Athie wrote:
You can't, because the Creator has implanted the thought of my existence in your mind. I dwell in your mind and you in my own.

I am here to stay. Sorry.


So you are just a thought? I guess I can deal with that. But if you have no material form, how do you write your papers? Do live inside your computer's hard drive, perhaps?

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Re: Is evolution just a hunch and a line of reasoning?

#591  Postby Zadocfish2 » Dec 12, 2011 4:24 pm

Please direct us to your own peer-reviewed papers, A.
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Re: Is evolution just a hunch and a line of reasoning?

#592  Postby jaygray » Dec 12, 2011 5:11 pm

falconjudge wrote:Please direct us to your own peer-reviewed papers, A.


Oh he will. Be prepared though, Atheistoclast's idea of 'peer-review' is not necessarily anyone else's. All in the mind, you see. :crazy:
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Re: Is evolution just a hunch and a line of reasoning?

#593  Postby Agrippina » Dec 12, 2011 5:31 pm

I'm imagining that I'm waiting to see what happens while I'm waiting to hear what happens next.
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Re: Is evolution just a hunch and a line of reasoning?

#594  Postby Atheistoclast » Dec 12, 2011 5:35 pm

falconjudge wrote:Please direct us to your own peer-reviewed papers, A.


Please follow the links to 3 of them. They were all rigorously peer reviewed by experts in the field:

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1 ... 5/abstract

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21550380

http://www.springerlink.com/content/q767h613177m34r1/

Another 2 are due to be published in the next few weeks. We live in exciting times.
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Re: Is evolution just a hunch and a line of reasoning?

#595  Postby Atheistoclast » Dec 12, 2011 5:38 pm

Agrippina wrote:

*Waiting with bated breath for the response to this post* :what:


Cali is all huff and puff. If he is so interested by evolutionary biology, he ought to write up and submit an appropriate manuscript (review, perspective or commentary). He could even write a research article based on the fish he keeps at home. I know he has taken many photos of them and observed their behavior. Evolutionary Ecology is a good journal. John Endler, the EIC, is one of Cali's heroes.
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Re: Is evolution just a hunch and a line of reasoning?

#596  Postby Shrunk » Dec 12, 2011 5:57 pm

Atheistoclast wrote:
falconjudge wrote:Please direct us to your own peer-reviewed papers, A.


Please follow the links to 3 of them. They were all rigorously peer reviewed by experts in the field:

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1 ... 5/abstract

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21550380

http://www.springerlink.com/content/q767h613177m34r1/

Another 2 are due to be published in the next few weeks. We live in exciting times.


Two of those are in non-biology journals, and the third does not question evolutionary theory at all.

Still, credit where it's due, you did get them published.
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Re: Is evolution just a hunch and a line of reasoning?

#597  Postby Agrippina » Dec 12, 2011 6:53 pm

Atheistoclast wrote:
Agrippina wrote:

*Waiting with bated breath for the response to this post* :what:


Cali is all huff and puff. If he is so interested by evolutionary biology, he ought to write up and submit an appropriate manuscript (review, perspective or commentary). He could even write a research article based on the fish he keeps at home. I know he has taken many photos of them and observed their behavior. Evolutionary Ecology is a good journal. John Endler, the EIC, is one of Cali's heroes.


:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Oh boy, this is going to be a lot of fun.
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Re: Is evolution just a hunch and a line of reasoning?

#598  Postby Rumraket » Dec 12, 2011 6:58 pm

Shrunk wrote:
Atheistoclast wrote:
falconjudge wrote:Please direct us to your own peer-reviewed papers, A.


Please follow the links to 3 of them. They were all rigorously peer reviewed by experts in the field:

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1 ... 5/abstract

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21550380

http://www.springerlink.com/content/q767h613177m34r1/

Another 2 are due to be published in the next few weeks. We live in exciting times.


Two of those are in non-biology journals, and the third does not question evolutionary theory at all.

Still, credit where it's due, you did get them published.

None of them question evolutionary theory, they just argue that it's constrained by certain factors. In fact, several of them contain various passages asserting that evolution works. There's a big difference between what Clastie says on forums such as these and what his papers contain.
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Re: Is evolution just a hunch and a line of reasoning?

#599  Postby Nebogipfel » Dec 12, 2011 8:01 pm

Regina wrote:
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Science allows us to observe the work of the Creator. Anatomists of the early 19th century studied the body in all its intricacy and complexity because it provided a direct insight into the mind of the Creator. The more we delve, the more we see just how intelligent this mind truly is. Science is a profoundly religious experience for many people.

Hang on for a sec:
The work of the Creator? Are you by any chance talking about entities that vanish the second you stop perceiving them? Which naturally includes the Creator, doesn't it? So you are the Creator of the universe, aren't you? Because your perception creates the Creator?


Vejur is that which seeks the Creator. :levi:
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Re: Is evolution just a hunch and a line of reasoning?

#600  Postby Atheistoclast » Dec 12, 2011 8:21 pm

Shrunk wrote:
Two of those are in non-biology journals, and the third does not question evolutionary theory at all.

Still, credit where it's due, you did get them published.


No. 2 of them are in cross-discipline journals which are read and reviewed by biologists.

The other one does question both positive selection and evolutionary divergence by gene duplication.

Anyway, my next papers are in genetics and molecular biology journals. I am getting very friendly with some of the editors.
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