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Fallible wrote:Plus this forum has a section especially for raising questions about, and discussing, the board and the running of it, and this ain't it. Why you'd be hoping to get the members to examine what transgressions they can observe is beyond me. We didn't ban him.
Destroyer wrote:Fallible wrote:Plus this forum has a section especially for raising questions about, and discussing, the board and the running of it, and this ain't it. Why you'd be hoping to get the members to examine what transgressions they can observe is beyond me. We didn't ban him.
The power to ban Kafei was ultimately with the moderators, but there is not the slightest doubt in my mind that it was indeed the participants in this thread who got him banned.
Destroyer wrote:Fallible wrote:Plus this forum has a section especially for raising questions about, and discussing, the board and the running of it, and this ain't it. Why you'd be hoping to get the members to examine what transgressions they can observe is beyond me. We didn't ban him.
The power to ban Kafei was ultimately with the moderators, but there is not the slightest doubt in my mind that it was indeed the participants in this thread who got him banned.
Anyway, I must get back to Liverpool and City right now.
Destroyer wrote:Fallible wrote:Plus this forum has a section especially for raising questions about, and discussing, the board and the running of it, and this ain't it. Why you'd be hoping to get the members to examine what transgressions they can observe is beyond me. We didn't ban him.
The power to ban Kafei was ultimately with the moderators, but there is not the slightest doubt in my mind that it was indeed the participants in this thread who got him banned.
Anyway, I must get back to Liverpool and City right now.
Destroyer wrote:Fallible wrote:Plus this forum has a section especially for raising questions about, and discussing, the board and the running of it, and this ain't it. Why you'd be hoping to get the members to examine what transgressions they can observe is beyond me. We didn't ban him.
The power to ban Kafei was ultimately with the moderators, but there is not the slightest doubt in my mind that it was indeed the participants in this thread who got him banned.
theropod wrote:Destroyer wrote:Fallible wrote:Plus this forum has a section especially for raising questions about, and discussing, the board and the running of it, and this ain't it. Why you'd be hoping to get the members to examine what transgressions they can observe is beyond me. We didn't ban him.
The power to ban Kafei was ultimately with the moderators, but there is not the slightest doubt in my mind that it was indeed the participants in this thread who got him banned.
Anyway, I must get back to Liverpool and City right now.
I will not, and did not, hesitate to express my opinion on this matter. I reported several of his posts and made a couple detailed statements to the moderation team regard what I saw as blatant trolling. Ultimately it was a choice made by the mod team. The reason the report page has a text box is for the very reason of gathering member input about all reports that are filed. Whether you like it or not the mod team acted in a manner they saw fit. Why you are whipping this dead horse baffles.
I find your complaints misplaced, and are themselves sailing close to the wind of trolling. What you apparently fail to grasp is that Kafei was banned for posting in a manner that didn’t lend itself to rational discourse. You opinion not withstanding.
RS
Destroyer wrote:theropod wrote:Destroyer wrote:Fallible wrote:Plus this forum has a section especially for raising questions about, and discussing, the board and the running of it, and this ain't it. Why you'd be hoping to get the members to examine what transgressions they can observe is beyond me. We didn't ban him.
The power to ban Kafei was ultimately with the moderators, but there is not the slightest doubt in my mind that it was indeed the participants in this thread who got him banned.
Anyway, I must get back to Liverpool and City right now.
I will not, and did not, hesitate to express my opinion on this matter. I reported several of his posts and made a couple detailed statements to the moderation team regard what I saw as blatant trolling. Ultimately it was a choice made by the mod team. The reason the report page has a text box is for the very reason of gathering member input about all reports that are filed. Whether you like it or not the mod team acted in a manner they saw fit. Why you are whipping this dead horse baffles.
I find your complaints misplaced, and are themselves sailing close to the wind of trolling. What you apparently fail to grasp is that Kafei was banned for posting in a manner that didn’t lend itself to rational discourse. You opinion not withstanding.
RS
I will leave it up to the members and lurkers with integrity to determine whether or not Kafei's posts contained rational content... The biased view here seems to be that because he presented nothing that resembled scientific evidence, his persistence that the research supported his claims, was indeed Trolling... I, However, say that his persistence was indicative of a man with conviction.
GrahamH wrote:Destroyer wrote:theropod wrote:Destroyer wrote:
The power to ban Kafei was ultimately with the moderators, but there is not the slightest doubt in my mind that it was indeed the participants in this thread who got him banned.
Anyway, I must get back to Liverpool and City right now.
I will not, and did not, hesitate to express my opinion on this matter. I reported several of his posts and made a couple detailed statements to the moderation team regard what I saw as blatant trolling. Ultimately it was a choice made by the mod team. The reason the report page has a text box is for the very reason of gathering member input about all reports that are filed. Whether you like it or not the mod team acted in a manner they saw fit. Why you are whipping this dead horse baffles.
I find your complaints misplaced, and are themselves sailing close to the wind of trolling. What you apparently fail to grasp is that Kafei was banned for posting in a manner that didn’t lend itself to rational discourse. You opinion not withstanding.
RS
I will leave it up to the members and lurkers with integrity to determine whether or not Kafei's posts contained rational content... The biased view here seems to be that because he presented nothing that resembled scientific evidence, his persistence that the research supported his claims, was indeed Trolling... I, However, say that his persistence was indicative of a man with conviction.
Again I ask you what do you think "his claims" actually were and how were they supported?
Destroyer wrote:I will leave it up to the members and lurkers with integrity to determine whether or not Kafei's posts contained rational content... The biased view here seems to be that because he presented nothing that resembled scientific evidence, his persistence that the research supported his claims, was indeed Trolling... I, however, say that his persistence was indicative of a man with conviction.
Destroyer wrote:
Again I ask you what do you think "his claims" actually were and how were they supported?
Destroyer wrote:theropod wrote:Destroyer wrote:Fallible wrote:Plus this forum has a section especially for raising questions about, and discussing, the board and the running of it, and this ain't it. Why you'd be hoping to get the members to examine what transgressions they can observe is beyond me. We didn't ban him.
The power to ban Kafei was ultimately with the moderators, but there is not the slightest doubt in my mind that it was indeed the participants in this thread who got him banned.
Anyway, I must get back to Liverpool and City right now.
I will not, and did not, hesitate to express my opinion on this matter. I reported several of his posts and made a couple detailed statements to the moderation team regard what I saw as blatant trolling. Ultimately it was a choice made by the mod team. The reason the report page has a text box is for the very reason of gathering member input about all reports that are filed. Whether you like it or not the mod team acted in a manner they saw fit. Why you are whipping this dead horse baffles.
I find your complaints misplaced, and are themselves sailing close to the wind of trolling. What you apparently fail to grasp is that Kafei was banned for posting in a manner that didn’t lend itself to rational discourse. You opinion not withstanding.
RS
I will leave it up to the members and lurkers with integrity to determine whether or not Kafei's posts contained rational content... The biased view here seems to be that because he presented nothing that resembled scientific evidence, his persistence that the research supported his claims, was indeed Trolling... I, however, say that his persistence was indicative of a man with conviction.
Thommo wrote:To be fair, he has. He's not demanding respect for Kafei's views (although, let's be honest, there's probably an undertone of that and fear about his own posting idiosyncrasies), he's demanding that the forum rules should be the only grounds for banning someone, and that if you believe what you're saying you're not saying it with the sole (or main) intention of provoking or inflaming others, which is roughly what the rules say.
The problem is that (and as I said before I am ambivalent about the actual answer) whilst all of us seem to more or less agree that Kafei does genuinely believe *something* about psychedelics and mystical experience, that does not excuse, for example, the 20 fucking pages of him pretending he didn't know what you meant when you said you'd never been a theist. Nor does his declaration that what he's saying does not constitute religion exempt him from the rules on preaching.
So, was he a troll? Maybe, maybe not. Is that the only quantifiable way we could describe his behaviour here? Also maybe, maybe not*.
However, this will all be redundant as Destroyer has said he doesn't care what we think about the matter, but persists in holding forth here, to us, anyway. Even though it's offtopic (and that is against the rules) to comment about moderation, which is his entire point.
I would hazard a guess that given his discomfort with discussion (despite these being discussion boards) most of us would reciprocate, and be prepared to weigh his opinion with just as much care as he weighs ours.
*Maybe we could get Johns Hopkins to design a questionnaire asking us all, then it would be 100% scientific.
Destroyer wrote:theropod wrote:Destroyer wrote:Fallible wrote:Plus this forum has a section especially for raising questions about, and discussing, the board and the running of it, and this ain't it. Why you'd be hoping to get the members to examine what transgressions they can observe is beyond me. We didn't ban him.
The power to ban Kafei was ultimately with the moderators, but there is not the slightest doubt in my mind that it was indeed the participants in this thread who got him banned.
Anyway, I must get back to Liverpool and City right now.
I will not, and did not, hesitate to express my opinion on this matter. I reported several of his posts and made a couple detailed statements to the moderation team regard what I saw as blatant trolling. Ultimately it was a choice made by the mod team. The reason the report page has a text box is for the very reason of gathering member input about all reports that are filed. Whether you like it or not the mod team acted in a manner they saw fit. Why you are whipping this dead horse baffles.
I find your complaints misplaced, and are themselves sailing close to the wind of trolling. What you apparently fail to grasp is that Kafei was banned for posting in a manner that didn’t lend itself to rational discourse. You opinion not withstanding.
RS
I will leave it up to the members and lurkers with integrity to determine whether or not Kafei's posts contained rational content... The biased view here seems to be that because he presented nothing that resembled scientific evidence, his persistence that the research supported his claims, was indeed Trolling... I, however, say that his persistence was indicative of a man with conviction.
Destroyer wrote:Thommo wrote:To be fair, he has. He's not demanding respect for Kafei's views (although, let's be honest, there's probably an undertone of that and fear about his own posting idiosyncrasies), he's demanding that the forum rules should be the only grounds for banning someone, and that if you believe what you're saying you're not saying it with the sole (or main) intention of provoking or inflaming others, which is roughly what the rules say.
The problem is that (and as I said before I am ambivalent about the actual answer) whilst all of us seem to more or less agree that Kafei does genuinely believe *something* about psychedelics and mystical experience, that does not excuse, for example, the 20 fucking pages of him pretending he didn't know what you meant when you said you'd never been a theist. Nor does his declaration that what he's saying does not constitute religion exempt him from the rules on preaching.
So, was he a troll? Maybe, maybe not. Is that the only quantifiable way we could describe his behaviour here? Also maybe, maybe not*.
However, this will all be redundant as Destroyer has said he doesn't care what we think about the matter, but persists in holding forth here, to us, anyway. Even though it's offtopic (and that is against the rules) to comment about moderation, which is his entire point.
I would hazard a guess that given his discomfort with discussion (despite these being discussion boards) most of us would reciprocate, and be prepared to weigh his opinion with just as much care as he weighs ours.
*Maybe we could get Johns Hopkins to design a questionnaire asking us all, then it would be 100% scientific.
This pretty much sums it up. I am happy to leave it here, in the knowledge that everyone associated with this thread can form their own opinions on the matter.
My opinion, is that the man has been in unfairly dismissed.
Destroyer wrote:I, however, say that his persistence was indicative of a man with conviction.
felltoearth wrote:Destroyer wrote:theropod wrote:Destroyer wrote:
The power to ban Kafei was ultimately with the moderators, but there is not the slightest doubt in my mind that it was indeed the participants in this thread who got him banned.
Anyway, I must get back to Liverpool and City right now.
I will not, and did not, hesitate to express my opinion on this matter. I reported several of his posts and made a couple detailed statements to the moderation team regard what I saw as blatant trolling. Ultimately it was a choice made by the mod team. The reason the report page has a text box is for the very reason of gathering member input about all reports that are filed. Whether you like it or not the mod team acted in a manner they saw fit. Why you are whipping this dead horse baffles.
I find your complaints misplaced, and are themselves sailing close to the wind of trolling. What you apparently fail to grasp is that Kafei was banned for posting in a manner that didn’t lend itself to rational discourse. You opinion not withstanding.
RS
I will leave it up to the members and lurkers with integrity to determine whether or not Kafei's posts contained rational content... The biased view here seems to be that because he presented nothing that resembled scientific evidence, his persistence that the research supported his claims, was indeed Trolling... I, however, say that his persistence was indicative of a man with conviction.
Excellent well poisoning there and an interesting comment when kefai demonstrated little to no integrity in this thread whatsoever. Whether he believed the crap he was selling here or not is beside the point. He consistently misrepresented the science and the evidence he presented here, even after being corrected over and over again.* It doesn’t matter whether dishonesty in discussion here is to the membership or to oneself, it amounts to the same outcome – a thread of thousands of posts that obfuscates facts and goes nowhere. That’s not why this discussion board exists.
It is for that very reason that I reported him calling for him to be banned which thankfully produced the desired result.
*additionally, spamming these threads with the same lengthy Youtube videos over and over again, not citing, quoting, or even paraphrasing the content with time stamps. There should be a rule about Youtube spamming as evidential support in the FUA but that’s for another discussion.
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