Wortfish wrote:Newmark wrote:Still the same error, still the same stupid mistakes. You even contradict yourself in this post. Beginningless =/= endless. You simply (still) use exceedingly naive definitions to construct an incoherent model, which you then (still) attempt to shoot down.
Oh, really? If the universe has no beginning, then it doesn't matter how far you traverse back in time, you will never reach the non-existent beginning. So you wouldr journey back in time would be
endless, i.e take forever without ever coming to an end.
Huh. What an interesting argument to make, since you in your very next sentence reiterate your stated assumption that time is a casual chain which only progresses in one direction, which would mean that traversing backwards would be impossible, which would render your argument moot. This just highlights the lack of internally consistency in your arguments. For the record, no model that I have proposed is dependent on begin able to traverse backwards through time (whether such a thing is possible or not). All I've said is that we
don't view time from the perspective of an absolute beginning, but rather that we are able to recollect and draw conclusion about past moments given our position in the present*.
I have already made clear what I consider to "endless" and "beginningless" to mean: lack of upper and lower bound, respectively. Please refrain from these strawmen and equivocations, and try to argue against my actual argument for once...
And you still haven't got how circular your argument is. "There must be a beginning, because otherwise you couldn't reach the beginning", paraphrased. Let's rephrase this a bit:
If Narnia doesn't exist, then it doesn't matter how far you walk, you will never reach the non-existent Narnia. So you would journey would be endless, i.e take forever without ever coming to an end.Do you think that this is reasonable evidence for the existence of Narnia? Do you think that anyone that tried to go to Narnia (in whatever direction they thought would take them forward) would land
somehwere with each step, or do you think that they would enter some sort of limbo of philosophical nothingness if they tried?
I see that you chose the "provide more examples of how untenable your so-called argument is" route. You have yet to substantiate why you think mathematics isn't applicable to this subject (other than the fact that it proves you wrong). But you go ahead, brave bold sir Robin, run away from answering questions, just like you always do...
Mathematics is not relevant here...because we are dealing with
TIME where each moment stands in a causal relationship to the preceeding and forthcoming moment. That is why all your models of infinity are not applicable here.
Still just empty assertions, still no justification. Typing "TIME" in large caps isn't much in the way of argument. You still need to explain
why you think that common mathematical models are disqualified from describing "casual relationships". Bonus points for showing how mathematics is not relevant to any aspect of current understanding of time, for instance the observed phenomena of time dilation as described by special relativity. Given your avoidance of any mathematical discussion (and no, quoting someone who thinks π =4 doesn't qualify), I strongly suspect that you lack the tools necessary to do so. Prove me wrong, or continue to make a fool of yourself; your choice.
* Given that you think that