Just out of curiosity, is there any precedent in US law, pertinent to the case of an ex-President being convicted of a felony?
If there is a precedent, let's hope that it involves some actual retribution. Unlike what we've just seen in the UK, where a sitting Prime Minister was convicted of a criminal offence, then allowed to walk out of the job with a £115,000 pension, and no punitive costs arising from said conviction.
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Re: Plain old Trump Watch.
#262 by Tortured_Genius » Oct 31, 2022 8:20 pm
Calilasseia wrote:Just out of curiosity, is there any precedent in US law, pertinent to the case of an ex-President being convicted of a felony?
From what I've gleaned from Prof. Heather Cox Richardson's "Letters from an American", no. The closest was Nixon, who was blanket pardoned by Gerald Ford. Obviously Biden isn't going to do the same for Trump.
Ex-President's are just ordinary citizens without any special rights and privileges, at least in theory, hence the ridiculousness of Trump claiming "executive privilege" over the classified documents he stole.
However, obviously ex-Presidents are treated differently to the population as a whole, otherwise Trump would have been moved to a black site for enhanced interrogation which is what any normal citizen would be facing given the sensitivity of what was stolen.
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#263 by Seabass » Oct 31, 2022 9:10 pm
No US president has ever faced consequences of any kind.
Well, none except Lincoln...
Trump will be fine. He'll probably even be president again.
Well, none except Lincoln...
Trump will be fine. He'll probably even be president again.
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#264 by Calilasseia » Nov 04, 2022 9:37 pm
Oh look ... Trump's business empire has just been ordered to submit to its very own watchdog ...
Needless to say, amusing hissy fits erupted from the Orange Scrotum ...
Needless to say, amusing hissy fits erupted from the Orange Scrotum ...
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#265 by Spearthrower » Nov 04, 2022 10:39 pm
Monitoring is necessary given Trump and his company's "demonstrated propensity to engage in persistent fraud," wrote the judge,
If only he'd restricted himself to grubbily grabbing at money, instead of defrauding the nation.
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#266 by Alan C » Nov 06, 2022 9:15 am
He's taken a swipe at DeFascist. Another one under the bus although I don't think Ron is stupid enough to not have expected it.
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#267 by The_Piper » Nov 06, 2022 11:48 am
He may not be that stupid, but in fairness, he's stupid. 
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#268 by Alan C » Nov 07, 2022 7:29 am
My first impression after seeing that video from Ron is "Oh, is he trying to steal mango Mussolini's evangelicals?".
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#269 by The_Piper » Nov 07, 2022 4:49 pm
What video? I'm not sure if I've seen it.
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#270 by Alan C » Nov 08, 2022 6:53 am
Apparently on the 8th day gawd anointed him to be a 'fighter'. His campaign released an utter ham-fisted screed about how gawd needed a fighter to stand up for parents and kids and to take the arrows fired. If it wasn't so comedic it would have been nauseating.
S.O. saw it on Twatter, here's an op-ed regarding it;
https://www.msnbc.com/opinion/msnbc-opi ... -rcna55773
S.O. saw it on Twatter, here's an op-ed regarding it;
https://www.msnbc.com/opinion/msnbc-opi ... -rcna55773
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#271 by The_Piper » Nov 08, 2022 8:41 am
Thanks, so following your link they had a link to the video on Twitter. I couldn't find it searching for myself earlier, only references to it. Holy Jesus, that ad is more insane than it's being made out to be on lefty YouTube. Just insane, and maddening. I'm glad I don't live in Florida. We have our own Trumptard running for a 3rd term as governor in Paul LePage. He just might win again, too. 
Here's a link to the video of the ad. Who Trump called "DeSanctimonious'" They're like children, all of them. 
https://twitter.com/CaseyDeSantis/status/1588539069243473924
Here's a link to the video of the ad. Who Trump called "DeSanctimonious'"
They're like children, all of them. https://twitter.com/CaseyDeSantis/status/1588539069243473924
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#272 by Spearthrower » Nov 09, 2022 1:33 am
Not a Mob boss wrote:"I don't know if he is running. I think if he runs, he could hurt himself very badly. I really believe he could hurt himself badly,"
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#273 by The_Piper » Nov 10, 2022 1:43 am
Trump's getting worse and worse.
LePage (a deeply, deeply scumfuckian man) handily lost his bid for governor of Maine. That's great, to put it lightly. 2/3 of my town voted for him though. That fucking sucks, to put it lightly. A town of 200 people. But most of the northern half of Maine is majority conservative. Ironically Madawaska and Van Buren, 2 of the Frenchiest places in the country (Madawaska is #1) voted for Mills, not LePage. LePage is of French descent and speaks French as does his wife, who is also Acadian and from the same valley that Madawaska and Van Buren are in. Nothing against his wife, but everything against him.
Now get your shine box, and go back to Florida old man. 
LePage (a deeply, deeply scumfuckian man) handily lost his bid for governor of Maine. That's great, to put it lightly. 2/3 of my town voted for him though. That fucking sucks, to put it lightly. A town of 200 people. But most of the northern half of Maine is majority conservative. Ironically Madawaska and Van Buren, 2 of the Frenchiest places in the country (Madawaska is #1) voted for Mills, not LePage. LePage is of French descent and speaks French as does his wife, who is also Acadian and from the same valley that Madawaska and Van Buren are in. Nothing against his wife, but everything against him.
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#274 by Spearthrower » Nov 16, 2022 2:52 am
The egomaniac's back having missed the size of the stage on which to play out his narcissistic dramas.
If there is a come back in the sense of being nominated, I am not blaming the current crop of quasi-fascist Republicans - they're already shown their colours, nor the MAGA crowd who we know would've been waving appropriately coloured flags for all the other historical tyrants had they but been born there instead...
It will be down to the American people as a whole who've watched all this and still let it happen, and to the Democrat party for failing to use the time and platform granted to them democratically to make the case, strengthen institutions to protect them this virulence, and restore some degree of reality to the political sphere.
Putin expects things like this to happen, for incompetent morons like Trump to be voted into positions of power - all he has to do is wait (he'll tinker too, of course) - but this is a weakness in democracies Putin is looking to exploit.
If there is a come back in the sense of being nominated, I am not blaming the current crop of quasi-fascist Republicans - they're already shown their colours, nor the MAGA crowd who we know would've been waving appropriately coloured flags for all the other historical tyrants had they but been born there instead...
It will be down to the American people as a whole who've watched all this and still let it happen, and to the Democrat party for failing to use the time and platform granted to them democratically to make the case, strengthen institutions to protect them this virulence, and restore some degree of reality to the political sphere.
Putin expects things like this to happen, for incompetent morons like Trump to be voted into positions of power - all he has to do is wait (he'll tinker too, of course) - but this is a weakness in democracies Putin is looking to exploit.
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#275 by THWOTH » Nov 16, 2022 8:52 am
Nothing says "man of the people" like standing in a golden palace.
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#276 by chango369 » Nov 16, 2022 9:50 am
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#277 by Tortured_Genius » Nov 19, 2022 4:16 pm
Well this is looking hopeful:
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#278 by THWOTH » Nov 19, 2022 8:38 pm
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#279 by Spearthrower » Nov 24, 2022 5:14 am
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-63739057
Freedom of speech is a wonderful ideal, but there is no such thing as unrestricted freedom, else the concept itself is meaningless, particularly when living a society with other peoples' freedoms.
Would country-relative hefty fines against the GOP make any difference in them espousing electoral lies?
Brazil's electoral court has rejected a challenge against the presidential election result made by the far-right party of President Jair Bolsonaro.
He narrowly lost to the leftist former leader, Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva, and his Liberal Party (PL) claimed without evidence that voting machines were compromised.
The court said the complaint was made "in bad faith" and fined the party 22.9m reais (£3.5m; $4.3m).
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Superior Electoral Court (TSE) President Alexandre de Moraes said the PL complaint was "offensive to democratic norms" and had sought to "encourage criminal and anti-democratic movements".
Freedom of speech is a wonderful ideal, but there is no such thing as unrestricted freedom, else the concept itself is meaningless, particularly when living a society with other peoples' freedoms.
Would country-relative hefty fines against the GOP make any difference in them espousing electoral lies?
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#280 by Caper » Nov 24, 2022 3:00 pm
Spearthrower wrote:https://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-63739057Brazil's electoral court has rejected a challenge against the presidential election result made by the far-right party of President Jair Bolsonaro.
He narrowly lost to the leftist former leader, Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva, and his Liberal Party (PL) claimed without evidence that voting machines were compromised.
The court said the complaint was made "in bad faith" and fined the party 22.9m reais (£3.5m; $4.3m).
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Superior Electoral Court (TSE) President Alexandre de Moraes said the PL complaint was "offensive to democratic norms" and had sought to "encourage criminal and anti-democratic movements".
Freedom of speech is a wonderful ideal, but there is no such thing as unrestricted freedom, else the concept itself is meaningless, particularly when living a society with other peoples' freedoms.
Would country-relative hefty fines against the GOP make any difference in them espousing electoral lies?
Wow!
Consequences already.
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