Well, there it is at last...
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Spearthrower wrote:
No, this was a war won. There's no mistaking that at all. This is not a minor skirmish but a major, historic defeat. There may be more wars, but right at this moment, BoJo's been sent scampering off with his tail between his legs. He's still got to convince his own party that he's credible, and given he's sacked a bunch of them, that's not even in the bag. It's entirely possible we could have a new PM before there's a general election.
Agi Hammerthief wrote:why should the opposition or the fired MPs even agree to an election?
Thommo wrote:Agi Hammerthief wrote:why should the opposition or the fired MPs even agree to an election?
There are plenty of reasons they should, since at bottom a democracy derives its legitimacy from the demos, the people. Not to mention it makes very little practical sense to ensure there's effectively no government for an extended period.
In the near future they probably won't though, because they don't see it as politically expedient. As time goes by that becomes a more difficult position to sustain.
Agi Hammerthief wrote:they certainly can‘t trust this PM to call an election before Brexit if they agree to dissolve parlament for an election.
Thommo wrote:Agi Hammerthief wrote:they certainly can‘t trust this PM to call an election before Brexit if they agree to dissolve parlament for an election.
That's true. After Oct 31 and the now inevitable extension that changes though.
There's probably no reason they couldn't craft legislation constraining the election date anyway, but time pressure is probably a greater factor before than after.
Unfortunately an extension only puts us where we were 2 months ago, and precious little has happened since then. I guess we'll see what happens.
GrahamH wrote:
If the war is Brexit this, however historic, hasn't won it.
GrahamH wrote:If you notice BJ hasn't tucked his tail yet.
GrahamH wrote:What is the next battle? A vote of no confidence or wait for 19/9 when Benn's law comes into play?
GrahamH wrote:As for a general election, I'm seeing far, far too many comments supporting Johnson and "clean Brexit".
GrahamH wrote:We can hope that the British electorate will see a democracy denying, law breaking, scheming, dishonest buffoon as unelectable, but to others he is a hero of "British independence" fighting the establishment that want to deny "the people what they voted for".
GrahamH wrote:It's a grand fuck up.
.@JoshuaRozenberg nails it live on Sky News.
@KayBurley: "How would you feel if you were the PM and given bad legal advice?"
JR: "If I were the PM and thought I'd been given bad legal advice I'd probably leak it to Sky News so that they could report it"
Contact in J Cox office.
The full legal advise says, while concluding it was legal to prorogue parliament for 5 weeks, J Cox advise against such a move as it could be challenged up to & including the Supreme Court.
NO10 are pressuring J Cox not to release the full text.
Thommo wrote:Doesn't sound like it would make even the slightest difference.
I think the acid test is whether he can go to the west end, shoot someone and lose a single vote
mattthomas wrote:Thommo wrote:Doesn't sound like it would make even the slightest difference.
What would these days?
Being a known liar is not a barrier to high office
Being a serial adulterer is not a barrier to high office
Misappropriating funds is not a barrier to high office
Lying to the queen is not a barrier to high office...
I think the acid test is whether he can go to the west end, shoot someone and lose a single vote
aban57 wrote:mattthomas wrote:Thommo wrote:Doesn't sound like it would make even the slightest difference.
What would these days?
Being a known liar is not a barrier to high office
Being a serial adulterer is not a barrier to high office
Misappropriating funds is not a barrier to high office
Lying to the queen is not a barrier to high office...
I think the acid test is whether he can go to the west end, shoot someone and lose a single vote
Funny how it applies to Trump if you remove "to the queen"...
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