When sexism accusations go too far
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Hermit wrote:That is not racism in terms I understand the word.
Hermit wrote:without a moment's thought about whether that is OK.
felltoearth wrote:That is a fantastic explanation how unconscious bias and our moral sense of self contributes to racism.
Spinozasgalt wrote:When it's science, everyone's all like, "We'll we're steeped in biases and science gotta control for that blah blah blah.
Spinozasgalt wrote:When it's science, everyone's all like, "We'll we're steeped in biases and science gotta control for that blah blah blah. Dunning-Kruger yadda yadda." But when it's racism, everyone's all like, "Whoah, whoah, whoah, all that bias talk is bordering on original sin."
Do you people hear yourselves? You sound like the Spice Girls after Ginger left. This isn't Wannabe. This isn't even Spice Up Your Life.
Rachel Bronwyn wrote:You might, on its surface, be appalled by racism while still harbouring ideas and feelings that are racist.
zulumoose wrote:I detest the whole idea of people confessing that we are all racist/sexist etc etc because we are brought up in an environment immersed in it. The same can be said of religion, yet many were brought up in religious environments without ever believing. Your personal reaction to your immersed environment could very well be total rejection, or gradual enlightenment, or anything in between. You can only really say that your immersed environment very likely had a large influence on your thinking, not what direction that influence took.
When you assert that EVERYONE has the issues you confess having yourself it reminds me very much of the religious assertions that we are all unworthy sinners who should repent and beg forgiveness. I know such people mean well, but they shouldn't presume to speak for everyone. Individuals remain individuals, and reactions to environment differ individually.
Cito di Pense wrote:I'll happily talk about what I'm steeped in. I'll have a look at any bias that's not, well, unconscious, because I ain't lookin' for the invisible man. So, when you want to illustrate a bias, come with something better than that.
GrahamH wrote:zulumoose wrote:I detest the whole idea of people confessing that we are all racist/sexist etc etc because we are brought up in an environment immersed in it. The same can be said of religion, yet many were brought up in religious environments without ever believing. Your personal reaction to your immersed environment could very well be total rejection, or gradual enlightenment, or anything in between. You can only really say that your immersed environment very likely had a large influence on your thinking, not what direction that influence took.
When you assert that EVERYONE has the issues you confess having yourself it reminds me very much of the religious assertions that we are all unworthy sinners who should repent and beg forgiveness. I know such people mean well, but they shouldn't presume to speak for everyone. Individuals remain individuals, and reactions to environment differ individually.
You are a fine example of what the video is talking about.
Why do you think you are so exceptionally unbiased and so much better than the rest of us?
Did you have a particularly difficult religious upbringing that has left deep scars on your psyche? But wait, aren't you an atheist? Doesn't your conscious rejection of religious belief mean you are entirely untouched by it all so you harbour no bias against religion today? It doesn't sound that way. Maybe you just haven't recognised every crumb of bias.
GrahamH wrote:Cito di Pense wrote:I'll happily talk about what I'm steeped in. I'll have a look at any bias that's not, well, unconscious, because I ain't lookin' for the invisible man. So, when you want to illustrate a bias, come with something better than that.
You'll have a look at those aspect of yourself that you already know about? Well good for you. That won't take long will it?
zulumoose wrote:GrahamH wrote:zulumoose wrote:I detest the whole idea of people confessing that we are all racist/sexist etc etc because we are brought up in an environment immersed in it. The same can be said of religion, yet many were brought up in religious environments without ever believing. Your personal reaction to your immersed environment could very well be total rejection, or gradual enlightenment, or anything in between. You can only really say that your immersed environment very likely had a large influence on your thinking, not what direction that influence took.
When you assert that EVERYONE has the issues you confess having yourself it reminds me very much of the religious assertions that we are all unworthy sinners who should repent and beg forgiveness. I know such people mean well, but they shouldn't presume to speak for everyone. Individuals remain individuals, and reactions to environment differ individually.
You are a fine example of what the video is talking about.
Why do you think you are so exceptionally unbiased and so much better than the rest of us?
Did you have a particularly difficult religious upbringing that has left deep scars on your psyche? But wait, aren't you an atheist? Doesn't your conscious rejection of religious belief mean you are entirely untouched by it all so you harbour no bias against religion today? It doesn't sound that way. Maybe you just haven't recognised every crumb of bias.
What a ridiculous strawman. I didn't once mention myself.
GrahamH wrote:
Or is it that you accept you have biases like anyone else and you are making an abstract point that some other people are different. Is that it?
Cito di Pense wrote:GrahamH wrote:
Or is it that you accept you have biases like anyone else and you are making an abstract point that some other people are different. Is that it?
I have biases against shitheads who assume their conclusions in order to try to make a point. I thought I just had to deal with god-botherers, but that is apparently not the case.
Cito di Pense wrote:GrahamH wrote:Cito di Pense wrote:I'll happily talk about what I'm steeped in. I'll have a look at any bias that's not, well, unconscious, because I ain't lookin' for the invisible man. So, when you want to illustrate a bias, come with something better than that.
You'll have a look at those aspect of yourself that you already know about? Well good for you. That won't take long will it?
Well, it looks like racism is the CMBR of society, then. Glad to know the Truth, and it seems pointless to deny it, and in fact, I don't.
I'm just asking how anyone knows it affects me without assuming it affects me. What a powerful conclusion that is, to assume your conclusion. Works on god-botherers, though. Easy pickings.
Teague wrote:Cito di Pense wrote:GrahamH wrote:
Or is it that you accept you have biases like anyone else and you are making an abstract point that some other people are different. Is that it?
I have biases against shitheads who assume their conclusions in order to try to make a point. I thought I just had to deal with god-botherers, but that is apparently not the case.
That would be an example of conscious bias - well done
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